F... Kool-Aid

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

What's worse is that this team has won in Dallas just once since 2000. That's 1/6, not exactly a record to hang your hat on. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see us win tomorrow. I just don't think it is reasonable to expect us to beat a superior team in a stadium in which our track record is awful.

No one expects the redskins to beat the cowboys but it's not unreasonable to believe that if the redskins can pound the ball and make some plays off playaction pass, then the redskins could be in it late in the game.

[4mrusmc]

I would like to change this thread title to: F... dallas. We shall see tomorrow what our team is made of.

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

I EXPECT the Redskins to Beat DalASS.
Let it be said, let it be written, let it be done!

Ya'll slay me.

Hail Skins!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jamf

The stats you provided don't prove much. He has a 61.3% completion percentage on all of his throws. Unfortunately most of those those throws are short routes.

Did his routes get shorter in the last four games compared to the first five? No. The routes are the same. The length of the routes doesn't explain the uptick in accuracy.

Originally Posted by jamf

JC has one completion over 50 yards all year. He hasn't completed a pass over 40 yards since week 3. He's missed wide open WR's down field at key points in a game all year. Yet you believe he will start connecting on deep balls because his accuracy on his short throws is decent. Clearly you haven't given your stats any thought.

Show me where I said he'd start connecting on deep balls. Please don't put words in my mouth. I said Moss and Randle-El on the same field, coupled with Campbell's improved accuracy, could create big plays. The definition of "big play" is not necessarily a bomb over the head of the safeties. Moss and Randle-El have a suddenness and elusiveness to them, they make sudden cuts, and are punt returners when in open space. A short 10-yard hitch can turn into a big play if the ball is delivered on time and accurately.

Originally Posted by jamf

The redskins have given up 12 sacks all year which isn't bad. but, most of the redskins passing plays are 3 and 5 step drops so JC can get the ball out quickly.
The redskins have only allowed 2 sacks in the last 2 games which doesn't mean much since it was our best rushing outing all year. The redskins dominated the eagles Dline last week. Once the skins gave up the lead and had to pass, they got to JC. if the redskins are in a position where they have to pass, they won't have time for a 7 step drop passing play..

Again, who says we need 7 step drops?? Why is that a necessity for a successful passing game? I just can't comprehend this argument.

Originally Posted by jamf

Absolutely! In the redskins cowboys rivalry, the underdog pulls off upsets. Is it a coincidence that the most unlikely victories/losses in redskins history are against the cowboys? Mark Brunell launching a bomb 50+ yards twice in 1 minute isn't weird? What about the troyvincent fg block that lead to an ST recovery and facemask? On the flip side, what about the cowboys 1 win season, their only win was against an undefeated redskins team that went on to win the superbowl. Let's not even bring up clint longley, the replacements game or any other.

So let me get this straight. Because two rare events, namely two TDs to Moss within the last five minutes, and the blocking of a last minute FG, took place within the last three years, that means you think the likelihood of a similar event occurring goes up?

So what should we expect this time? A safety to win the game? A bad snap by the Cowboys on a FG? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. This is what you are basing your belief on, that we'll win because of some fluky wierd event, based on the thinking that we've won two games against them because of wierd events? Sure, I guess it COULD happen. But to believe we're going to win because of one of these RARE events is asinine.

FYI - we've had plenty of wierd wins/losses against teams not named the Cowboys. I remember losing a playoff game against Tampa in 1999 because of a bad snap by our snapper. I remember losing a game to the Eagles in 1991 in which player after player went off injured. I remember a tie game against the Giants in which our QB jammed his neck after headbutting a wall.

Wierd shit happens in football, that doesn't mean that because it's the Cowboys, we're any more likely to see something wierd this weekend. It just makes no sense at all.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jamf

No one expects the redskins to beat the cowboys but it's not unreasonable to believe that if the redskins can pound the ball and make some plays off playaction pass, then the redskins could be in it late in the game.

Now this I 100% agree with.

I think you and I are actually in agreement with regards to our team's chances tomorrow. We both think we have a chance tomorrow if we can be physical and establish the running game, and make a big play or two in the passing game. But at the same time we both recognize we're up against it in this one.

I think where we are disagreeing is the hows and the whys. But fundamentally we're on the same wavelength. Even though I've fervently argued against your points, I'd just like to say that I've appreciated the discussion because it has been thought-provoking and worthwhile.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

What's worse is that this team has won in Dallas just once since 2000. That's 1/6, not exactly a record to hang your hat on. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see us win tomorrow. I just don't think it is reasonable to expect us to beat a superior team in a stadium in which our track record is awful.

And in that one win we got dominated for 58 minutes and needed two consecutive miracles to pull it off. I mentioned this on another thread, but Dallas' injury situation, or lack thereof, is really a factor. They're one of the only teams in the league to be completely healthy all year. Aside from Newman missing the first few games with a foot problem...

The fact that this is a rivalry means squat. Our only hope IMO is catching them a off guard early. They're an arrogant team, and I'm sure most of their fans think a win is a forgone conclusion. I hope we attack from the get go, but I don't think we have much of a chance.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

If we're going to win it's because they have esentially the same team that we beat LAST year. How have they truly improved from last year to this year? I think that aside from our injuries, we match up pretty well AGAIN this year.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

If we're going to win it's because they have esentially the same team that we beat LAST year. How have they truly improved from last year to this year? I think that aside from our injuries, we match up pretty well AGAIN this year.

Last year we didn't really "match up" that well with them. They beat us in Dallas, and we needed a series of pretty spectacular and improbable special teams plays to beat them in FedEx. This Dallas team is quite a bit better than last years...

I think their D this year is a little better, Romo is better, and I think good health and Parcells NOT being there is helping that team more than anything. It is essentially the same group of players, but they're having fun and playing more loose this year. Maybe Parcells was too tough on them???

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Last year we didn't really "match up" that well with them. They beat us in Dallas, and we needed a series of pretty spectacular and improbable special teams plays to beat them in FedEx. This Dallas team is quite a bit better than last years...

I think their D this year is a little better, Romo is better, and I think good health and Parcells NOT being there is helping that team more than anything. It is essentially the same group of players, but they're having fun and playing more loose this year. Maybe Parcells was too tough on them???

Yup. I can't believe I am giving props to Dallas, but they've improved on the field even if they haven't on paper. They are likely going to go deep on us. With Taylor in the game, we can play the deep ball and limit screens and runs to limited gains. With Taylor out, I fear that we are going to have to either surrender the deep ball or allow Marion Barber and Witten to eat us up with big gains on screens and runs.

It's going to be a shoot-out and, thus, Dallas gets the edge.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Yup. I can't believe I am giving props to Dallas, but they've improved on the field even if they haven't on paper. They are likely going to go deep on us. With Taylor in the game, we can play the deep ball and limit screens and runs to limited gains. With Taylor out, I fear that we are going to have to either surrender the deep ball or allow Marion Barber and Witten to eat us up with big gains on screens and runs.

It's going to be a shoot-out and, thus, Dallas gets the edge.

I agree- a shootout indeed. I think their passing game is gonna be too much for our banged up secondary, but if we let 'er rip we can score 4 TDs.

[memphisskin]

I have no reason other than my heart beating to Hail to the Redskins to really believe the Skins are going to win tomorrow, and yet I do. I hear Coach Parcells ranting in the background "You are what your record says" but aren't the Skins about more than just blown opportunities and close calls? They are also bringing in a running game, or did I not just see Clinton Portis go for a buck thuddy-seven on the Eagles? And I'll take my chances with JC, I agree if he gets a couple more opportunities to hit the deep ball he'll start completing a few.

But now that Lloyd's out, who will Campbell overthrow the deep ball to now? Give me that cup, I mean we're not going to let an injury to James Thrash throw us off our game, are we? And I think Doughty and Prioleau can do good with a week of being, to borrow a phrase "coached up." I mean I think Gibbs should institute yoga or pilates, c'mon five starters with hamstring injuries? Wait, Kool Aid kicking in, GW is going to actually coach this week, and Landry is coming along. I think we will bring a sense of urgency, since we've played better, occasionally, than a 5-4 team.

F it all, HTTR!

[MTK]

If the Skins play like they did against Philly minus the costly penalties I think they have a real shot.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If the Skins play like they did against Philly minus the costly penalties I think they have a real shot.

i agree.

[70Chip]

There is no rational argument to make in favor of the Redskins at this point. Then again, what's rational about spending all this time on a website discussing something none of us can control in the first place? I would never claim that my interest in the Redskins is rational.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

There is no rational argument to make in favor of the Redskins at this point. Then again, what's rational about spending all this time on a website discussing something none of us can control in the first place? I would never claim that my interest in the Redskins is rational.

The question isn't whether you're interest is rational.

The question is what concrete reasons do you have to be hopeful?