Len Pastabelly on Gibbs' Retirement: "Just An Ordinary Joe"

[#56fanatic]

I know people here feel Len has a personal thing against the skins, but honestly, what did he say in that article that is not true. He complimented Gibbs, but he also told the truth about Gibbs 2. He didn't win consistantly, which is why Snyder brought him back. He made mistakes, which all coaches do and all coaches get blasted by the media for. Nothing in this article is w2ay off base. Washington has been a bad place for coaches. lets face it, Snyder and the organization ask for it every year. They pay big money to players, and to coaches. And we are basically average. With the money we spend for STAR players and STAR coaches you and the media love to see those teams fail. Look at the Yankees, dont they get crap all season long when they are hovering around 500, and not making playoffs with the most expensive payroll in history and setting new marks for that every year. this is what being a Yankees fan is about (which I am not) they have to deal with it year in and year out. Same with the Redskins. We set marks for payroll(players and coaches) every year. media loves those kinds of stories. Dont you think if NE would have laid an egg with all their high prices FA this year, they would be the whipping boys for the media. I have said year after year after year to everyone out here, the way to shut up the pastabelly's of the media world is to win. and win every year. and win playoff games, division titles, superbowls.

Danny asks for this stuff by spending money, sometimes unwisely, and never getting a front office structure that in condusive to winning consistantly. all the execs around the league and experts have been harping on this since he bought the team. And until he wins a superbowl with the current structure, that will be part of the unrelenting bashing we receive every year.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Danny asks for this stuff by spending money, sometimes unwisely, and never getting a front office structure that in condusive to winning consistantly. all the execs around the league and experts have been harping on this since he bought the team. And until he wins a superbowl with the current structure, that will be part of the unrelenting bashing we receive every year.

Owners of several other teams (e.g., Dallas' Jerry Jones) "interfere" with personnel decisions and they seem to be doing well. IMO, the idea that all our woes are attributable to front office mismanagement is erroneous. IMO, there are many, many reasons why this franchise has struggled in recent years. First and foremost, we have not had an experienced, franchise QB since ........ hmmm. This is a QB-driven league, we haven't had a franchise QB in quite some time. Second, we've had some awful coaching. If you don't like Gibbs, how do you feel about Norv and Spurrier? Third, injuries and death derailed what was likely a deep playoff run in 2007. The list goes on.

It's nice and all to attribute our struggles to one single source, or, better yet, one single person. While it's convenient to lay the blame for our woes at the feet of a single goat, I'm not buying.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Owners of several other teams (e.g., Dallas' Jerry Jones) "interfere" with personnel decisions and they seem to be doing well. IMO, the idea that all our woes are attributable to front office mismanagement is erroneous. IMO, there are many, many reasons why this franchise has struggled in recent years. First and foremost, we have not had an experienced, franchise QB since ........ hmmm. This is a QB-driven league, we haven't had a franchise QB in quite some time. Second, we've had some awful coaching. If you don't like Gibbs, how do you feel about Norv and Spurrier? Third, injuries and death derailed what was likely a deep playoff run in 2007. The list goes on.

It's nice and all to attribute our struggles to one single source, or, better yet, one single person. While it's convenient to lay the blame for our woes at the feet of a single goat, I'm not buying.

In no way am I saying Snyder is the reason for all of our struggles. I was responding to the article and the bashing we receive through the media year in and year out. My point was we will continue to get bashed by our front office structure and tendencies for spending. I really dont know what has been the issue for this franchise not winning consistantly. to me, its all of the above. Front office moves, with coaches and personel. the swing of coaches in and out of the door (until Gibbs) The constant roster turnover, the differnce in philosophies in terms of the players we have with the philosophies of coaches, never really getting on the same page. And lastly, the players that were brought in on a whim. some of them were bad moves, some good.I think we are going in the right direction with the guys here, most importantly the attitudes of the current roster. They are a family, the work hard and care for everyone on this team. Character as joe says is #1, and we have that now. But when it comes to the critisism, it comes from the top, that is where everyone in the media starts, especially during the offseason after a disappointing finish.
I have defended snyder a ton when it comes to his passion for this franchise. I know of no other owner who puts everything he has into a team, and lives and dies when we win or lose. Snyder to me is a FAN first, then an owner and in some cases that hurts him, some it helps. You could see the hurt yesterday during that press conference, how sad and disappointed he was that Joe was leaving. That is the FAN side of Dan more than the owner. He genuinly loved Gibbs as a person, and a coach and as Pastabelly put it, his boyhood idol.
I hope this front office makes the right choice in finding a head coach, and he is currently in the building, getting support from Gibbs, and more importantly, the players. GW!!

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Owners of several other teams (e.g., Dallas' Jerry Jones) "interfere" with personnel decisions and they seem to be doing well. IMO, the idea that all our woes are attributable to front office mismanagement is erroneous. IMO, there are many, many reasons why this franchise has struggled in recent years. First and foremost, we have not had an experienced, franchise QB since ........ hmmm. This is a QB-driven league, we haven't had a franchise QB in quite some time. Second, we've had some awful coaching. If you don't like Gibbs, how do you feel about Norv and Spurrier? Third, injuries and death derailed what was likely a deep playoff run in 2007. The list goes on.

It's nice and all to attribute our struggles to one single source, or, better yet, one single person. While it's convenient to lay the blame for our woes at the feet of a single goat, I'm not buying.

This just gets back to the general tendency on here for people to have to point the finger at one person.

There is some apparent need to attribute all our problems to one guy. We lost the game because of Suisham. It's all Snyder's fault. Gibbs is old and that's why we lose.

Why are people incapable of looking at the totality of the circumstances?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mheisig

This just gets back to the general tendency on here for people to have to point the finger at one person.

There is some apparent need to attribute all our problems to one guy. We lost the game because of Suisham. It's all Snyder's fault. Gibbs is old and that's why we lose.

Why are people incapable of looking at the totality of the circumstances?

Good point. People want the easy scapegoat.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Owners of several other teams (e.g., Dallas' Jerry Jones) "interfere" with personnel decisions and they seem to be doing well. IMO, the idea that all our woes are attributable to front office mismanagement is erroneous. IMO, there are many, many reasons why this franchise has struggled in recent years. First and foremost, we have not had an experienced, franchise QB since ........ hmmm. This is a QB-driven league, we haven't had a franchise QB in quite some time. Second, we've had some awful coaching. If you don't like Gibbs, how do you feel about Norv and Spurrier? Third, injuries and death derailed what was likely a deep playoff run in 2007. The list goes on.

It's nice and all to attribute our struggles to one single source, or, better yet, one single person. While it's convenient to lay the blame for our woes at the feet of a single goat, I'm not buying.

I think that's a great point.

Look at how well things were going with some stellar play from Collins.

And if you look around the league at teams that constantly shuffle in new QBs every year, most likely those are perennial losers.

I'm confident that Campbell can be our guy for a long time. And if he does, we may look back upon Gibbs 2.0 with a slightly different opinion that we have now.

[Daseal]

Yes Redskins_P, please dispute what hes saying. That's all I'm asking someone to do. I'm sick of seeing people here whine about how the media hates us and doesn't give us any credit, etc etc. Credit is earned, not given. Then when we play down the stretch and earn that credit people are mad that people start picking us.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Yes Redskins_P, please dispute what hes saying. That's all I'm asking someone to do. I'm sick of seeing people here whine about how the media hates us and doesn't give us any credit, etc etc. Credit is earned, not given. Then when we play down the stretch and earn that credit people are mad that people start picking us.

Point is he didn't need to basically thumb his nose at us with his choice of words. That's all. He could have been a bit more tactful.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Yes Redskins_P, please dispute what hes saying. That's all I'm asking someone to do. I'm sick of seeing people here whine about how the media hates us and doesn't give us any credit, etc etc. Credit is earned, not given. Then when we play down the stretch and earn that credit people are mad that people start picking us.

I'm not going to dispute anything. Its clearly his own personal opinion. Is anyone else calling him an "ordinary joe" in the media? I think he deserves respect because he's earned it. He's earned it by being a winner and by coming back 14 years later to try and restore some of that. He may not have won us a Superbowl, and he may have made costly mistakes at times, but he was always the first one to take the blame when things went wrong. How can you not respect that? Its not like he fielded an absolutely terrible team every Sunday.


He had his players playing hard for him. And he did that after suffering one of the biggest tragedies in sports history.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Yes Redskins_P, please dispute what hes saying. That's all I'm asking someone to do. I'm sick of seeing people here whine about how the media hates us and doesn't give us any credit, etc etc. Credit is earned, not given. Then when we play down the stretch and earn that credit people are mad that people start picking us.

It's the timing of the article that I have problem with. Do you agree with some of the pot shots he took at Gibbs in the article? Some of those comments weren't necessary.

I do have a legitimate gripe with Pastabelly. Mainly because when he was confronted in 2004 about the original article by a member of ES, Pastabelly got in a somewhat heated argument and said, "When I get questions from Redskins fans, i usually try to ignore them. I hate you f*ckers."

There's an unbiased journalist for you.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Yes Redskins_P, please dispute what hes saying. That's all I'm asking someone to do. I'm sick of seeing people here whine about how the media hates us and doesn't give us any credit, etc etc. Credit is earned, not given. Then when we play down the stretch and earn that credit people are mad that people start picking us.

every year there are 50 analysts that pick the cardinals to win their division. they sing their praises from the rooftops, and why? what have they done to earn any respect? Everyone should shit on them all the time. They're a pathetic franchise.


Gibbs VASTLY improved our team and more importantly, keeps a hand on our owner, who listens to him out of respect. The 2 playoff years he had in the four years he was here should earn him respect, given that this team had gone only once in the TWELVE years since he left, not to mention his historical accomplishments.

I won't read the article... I don't have to. He's self-serving in writing it. The audacity of the title itself infuriates me

I'll ask you this, why has pasquerelli earned enough respect and credit for you to defend him? what has he done? People defend Joe Gibbs, and say he should't be attacked in the media... he's earned a pass, and you say we need to justify it to you? Why?

[MTK]

What a jerk.

[Daseal]

The only thing that's been proven here is that you have an inflated view of your own significance which has led you start issuing commands to other people. How strange.

Or I came to a discussion forum to try to incite some actual discussion. Either or.

[Daseal]

Point is he didn't need to basically thumb his nose at us with his choice of words. That's all.

Matty -- did you read the entire article? I think a lot of the people here read the choice quote, and it really didn't seem that bad. LP gave both the good and bad of the Gibbs era. Yes, he brought up an article he posted earlier, but in fairness LP has stuck to his guns something we criticize for on a regular basis. The whole article seemed like a decent run down of his 2nd stint here.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Matty -- did you read the entire article? I think a lot of the people here read the choice quote, and it really didn't seem that bad. LP gave both the good and bad of the Gibbs era. Yes, he brought up an article he posted earlier, but in fairness LP has stuck to his guns something we criticize for on a regular basis. The whole article seemed like a decent run down of his 2nd stint here.

Yeah I read the entire article. Did you?

His "I told you so" attitude is what rubs me the wrong way.