Salary Cap Status Update

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

EDIT: "So the hit on his salary drops from $4.2 million to $1.6 million, which is a savings of $2.8 million." It's actually a savings of $2.6 million.

LOL Me good at math.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Cutting Lloyd would cost us $2.9 million in 2008 cap space.

So if we did make every one of those moves and get all the way to $27.6 under the cap (won't happen but let's go with it), then cutting Lloyd would leave us with $24.7 million in space.

So your saying the Skins won't make all the moves you think need to be made?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So your saying the Skins won't make all the moves you think need to be made?

No.

The first post in this thread says:

I'm going to list the ways to get the cap number down. You can debate the merit of making certain moves on this list, but if we don't cut a certain player, you can bet we'd restructure them, which would also save some money.

In other words, it's a list of all the ways to reduce this year's cap figure. It shows that we can get as much as $27.4 million under the cap, if we make all the moves. However, we could make only some of the moves and get to $20 million under the cap. Or even fewer of the moves, and get to $15 million. Or even fewer of the moves, and get to $10 million. The options are limitless.

The purpose of the thread was to show that when writers like Peter King, who aren't trained in accounting and who say we're headed for cap hell, that they don't know what they're talking about.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

No.

The first post in this thread says:



In other words, it's a list of all the ways to reduce this year's cap figure. It shows that we can get as much as $27.4 million under the cap, if we make all the moves. However, we could make only some of the moves and get to $20 million under the cap. Or even fewer of the moves, and get to $15 million. Or even fewer of the moves, and get to $10 million. The options are limitless.

The purpose of the thread was to show that when writers like Peter King, who aren't trained in accounting and who say we're headed for cap hell, that they don't know what they're talking about.

OK, if the moves are as easy as you say ,then why don't other teams in the NFL do the samething as the Skins.My question does what they(the Skins) do with the Cap reflect to what happens on the field of play?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

The numbers above are right on, maybe you just forgot on a couple guys. Either way it's a negligible difference and doesn't affect the discussion.

Updated to incorporate these changes. Thanks for the catch CC!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Giantone

OK, if the moves are as easy as you say ,then why don't other teams in the NFL do the samething as the Skins.My question does what they(the Skins) do with the Cap reflect to what happens on the field of play?

Question 1, other teams don't do it because either they build through the draft and hence never find themselves over the cap in the first place, or they don't have the cash on hand to hand out big signing bonuses each season. There's an advantage to being one of the most highly valued franchises in sports. But all teams can do the exact same thing if they chose.

Question 2, cap management does not reflect what they do on the field of play. But it does allow them to keep core players together, even when supposed "experts" say the team will have to break up.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Giantone

OK, if the moves are as easy as you say ,then why don't other teams in the NFL do the samething as the Skins.My question does what they(the Skins) do with the Cap reflect to what happens on the field of play?

Since you're a non-believer, would you like to place a bet that the Skins will not have to dismantle their team because they're $20 million over the cap?

I'll gladly take you up on any bet you want. I'll take a picture of myself wearing a Redskins cheerleader outfit while bending over taking it up the rear by a dildo that says NYG on it, if you want. Care to reciprocate?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Since you're a non-believer, would you like to place a bet that the Skins will not have to dismantle their team because they're $20 million over the cap?

I'll gladly take you up on any bet you want. I'll take a picture of myself wearing a Redskins cheerleader outfit while bending over taking it up the rear by a dildo that says NYG on it, if you want. Care to reciprocate?

Nope I want the bet to mean something,not something you do at home every night.:headbange

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Nope I want the bet to mean something,not something you do at home every night.:headbange

Touche.

But go ahead, name it. I'll agree to whatever you want. Five thousand dollars, an embarassing photo, posting pictures of the naked wife, you name it you got it. Let's see you put your money where your mouth is, since you know so much about it. What say you?

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Yes he represents $2.1M of our deadcap amount.

Thanks for the update Crazy Canuck.

[Bill B]

[quote=CrazyCanuck;414386]Great work as always Schneed.

- For Cooley, PCinOz's site also lists him at an $11M roster bonus this year. This doesn't make much sense and the Skins will almost certainly convert the $11M into a signing bonus and spread it over the life of his deal. The info I had previously seen had his bonus broken down into two $7M signing bonuses, one in 2007, one in 2008. This makes a lot more sense so I've left my sheets intact with the two $7M signing bonuses.

- In your salary restructuring part your numbers are a little off. Keep in mind that you cannot prorate the entire salary since the player must still earn at least the league minimum for his years of service. So for Jansen for instance his 2008 salary is $5M. The min salary he can make is $720K but let's call it $1M to keep it simple. So $5M - $1M = $4M of base salary that can be prorated. There's 4 years left on his deal (including 2008), so the $4M gets spread over 4 years at $1M per year. This results in a net savings of $3M for 2008. Sorry to nitpick Schneedster.

- I've been thinking a lot about Jansen and Thomas too. I agree with your assessment that cutting them doesn't make much sense. I think they're both here for at least 2 more years assuming they can still play. But I think they warrant discussion since they represent our 2nd and 3rd largest cap hits and over $16M of cap space. This for 2 guys who hardly played this year, and in Jansen's case, an average lineman even when he does play. Don't get me wrong, I like both players a lot and our O-line can use all the help it can get. But I've been hard on Samuels for years cuz of his cap number and I think Jansen and Thomas deserve the same scrutiny.

- As for Kendall I see no reason to cut him. Yes his release fee is very small but so is his cap number (relatively). I thought he did a great job for us this year and helped save our season after all the injuries to our line. His 2008 cap hit is only $2.5M and he'll be playing for a new contract so I see no reason to let him go.

- I wanted to congratulate Brandon Lloyd on officially being the ugliest contract on our books. This coveted award has been held by the likes of Deion, Lavar, and most recently Archuleta. quote]Though I'd love to cut him, his release fee is so high that the best solution is probably to keep him around one more year and see if we can get anything productive out of this guy.[/

Crazy Canuck - I would love for Llyod to get the axe as well. Quick question for you or others that know Llyod - does Jim Zorn's west coast offense hurt or help Llyod? From seeing many posts on this board many have criticized Llyod's lack of route running ability and my question is does the West Coast offense emphasize it more or less than Al Saunders 700 page playbook?

[BrunellMVP?]

i appreciate your diligence.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Crazy Canuck - I would love for Llyod to get the axe as well. Quick question for you or others that know Llyod - does Jim Zorn's west coast offense hurt or help Llyod? From seeing many posts on this board many have criticized Llyod's lack of route running ability and my question is does the West Coast offense emphasize it more or less than Al Saunders 700 page playbook?

lloyd can run a slant well. that doesn't mean he's not arrogant or lazy though.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Great job Schneed and CC! It's threads like these that keep me coming back day after day.