Why the hate towards Fassel?

[skinsfan69]

I'm old school and I don't want Fassel cause he coached the NYG. No thanks. I'll take Mooch.

[T.O.Killa]

I have no idea, why I feel that Fossil was a bad coach, I just do. It has nothing to do with him coaching the Giants. For some reason, I like Mooch. I always did. Fossil, in reality was far more successfull than Mooch.

[celts32]

BTW Sportstalk 980 just confirmed that Mooch is indeed a candidate.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

BTW Sportstalk 980 just confirmed that Mooch is indeed a candidate.

Good news.

To me at least.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by celts32

BTW Sportstalk 980 just confirmed that Mooch is indeed a candidate.

Nice! I'm all for that. May the best man win.

[SKINSnCANES]

Just to play Devils advocate, why is it that none of the other teams that needed a coach or a cordinator interviewed them?

Mabye they did and I didnt hear about it. But from what ive read we are the only ones that want either guy. Does the rest of the league know somethign we dont?

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Did Gibbs 2.0?

That's a whole other thread.

[SC Skins Fan]

So, reading through the posts, the answer, Matty, is style over substance. "I just don't like the guy," "he reminds me of my high school teacher," "he reminds me of the Giants (uh, Spagnolo coached for the Giants and Eagles and I don't imagine we'd have the uproar), "he coached the Ravens and the Raven's weren't good on offense" (see note 1). I have not been a big fan of Fassel, but the love for Mooch vis a vis the Fassel hate is simply irrational and based simply upon perception. The real issue, I suspect, is a question of timing or a general lack of information on Mooch. If it goes down as JLC has speculated (and who knows at this point) and the fans generally embrace Mooch then it is only because Snyder is a smarter marketer than we are fans.

Note 1 - Fassel's career as an OC

1993 - Denver - #5 in NFL in total offense
1994 - Denver - #6 in NFL in total offense
1996 - Arizona - #13 in NFL in total offense
2004 - Baltimore - #31 in NFL (275 ypg) (one behind Gibbs led Redskins) who was QB?
2005 - Baltimore - #24 in NFL (293 ypg), who was the QB?
2006 - Baltimore fires Fassel (b/c Billick's job is on the line), gets a half-way decent QB in McNair ... offense skyrockets to ... wait for it ... #17 in NFL (317 ypg)
2007 - Baltimore - McNair hurt (and, admittedly, problems on o-line) Fassel-less offense #22 in NFL (303 ypg)

So if we are going to throw out Mooch's career in Detroit (15-28) then why not throw out Fassel's time in Baltimore? After all, when was the last time Baltimore had a good offense (a comparable statement to when was the last time Detroit won)? To hold the one against Fassel while absolving Mariucchi of the other seems hypocritical.

For the record, I would still prefer Schwartz (apparently not going to happen) or Meeks. And I do know that coaches with prior experience tend to be more successful, so perhaps my own desires are irrational as well.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by redsk1

That's a whole other thread.

Not necessarily, especially when you're talking straight up wins and losses.

While Joe Gibbs put in place a STRONG leadership among the players on this team, his win and loss record wasn't exactly stellar.

Would I prefer Gibbs over ANY other coach if we had the option? Absolutely.

But I think it's absolute insanity the way some people are acting to hiring Fassel or anyone else... If you're going to dismiss wins and losses, then at least talk about intangibles, and what makes Fassel or anyone else less valuable with their intangibles.

Most of the candidates are player's coaches, work well with young quarterbacks and HAVE fielded winning teams with little to no mutiny on their own sidelines. Remember Fassel had to work with SHOCKEY. Let's all calm down and let's remember to give whoever it is a fighting chance.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by celts32

BTW Sportstalk 980 just confirmed that Mooch is indeed a candidate.

Out of curiousity is 980 a trustworthy source? Over the past few years it feels like people have posted tons of rumors from 980 that seem to be false more times then not.

At the same time I hope that this one is true. Mooch would be perfect for this team.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

Just to play Devils advocate, why is it that none of the other teams that needed a coach or a cordinator interviewed them?

Mabye they did and I didnt hear about it. But from what ive read we are the only ones that want either guy. Does the rest of the league know somethign we dont?

The redskins are the only team looking at retreads these days...the in thing in the league now is hiring young position coaches or coordinators.

[birdz4gibbs]

i,m with whoever synder picks cause he could careless what i think anyways.
either one aint all that bad to me....

it,s a wait and see ...

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Out of curiousity is 980 a trustworthy source? Over the past few years it feels like people have posted tons of rumors from 980 that seem to be false more times then not.

At the same time I hope that this one is true. Mooch would be perfect for this team.

Could be BS...I was just letting everyone know what they said. 980 just said "sources" said he was a candidate so it's not like the team confirmed anything but they have not confirmed anything in this really.

[SmootSmack]

Because when we lose after week 3 next year to fall to 2-1 and people want to fire the coach, "Screw the Mooch" sounds better than "Bury the Fossil"

Seriously though, I think it's just that there is a perception (right or wrong) that Mariucci is a nicer guy who can more easily mend fences.

I think they're both good candidates (much better choice than Carroll) and all they really have to do is support Zorn and leave Blache to do his thing.

[BaltimoreSkins]

My only concern with Fassel is that he has never had back to back winning seasons, while having pretty good teams with the Giants. If he is the new HC I hope he ends that streak in his first two seasons