Should the Skins' FO pick up the phone...

Originally Posted by TenandSix:Unacceptable

Still waiting...

Man, that's just wrong... and kinda funny.

The OP wrote it out different but I thought he got most of the info from this article.

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I honestly dont care either way I just didnt want Michael Lombardi's reign of terror to strike this board. :FIREdevil

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

How does it look worse? We have the same guys as last year(one year older but still) with a slue of new guys. I agree that maybe only one out of the bunch may work out but i really don't see us being worse off. If anything else were in the same exact position as last year. All we need is one of these new guys to step up and we will be better off then last year already.

Last year we had two competitors who could both handle the position, conditional on different things (for Jansen, health, and for Heyer, development). This year we have about 4 competitors with various reasons to play them, but Heyer is the only guy I'd classify as starting caliber, and that, still is contingent on further development. So, if Heyer wins the position, beating out the competition, I'd view that as a positive. If Bridges or Williams wins it, I think that would be more of a negative, settling for a player who is worse than we thought we had last year.

The fact that Jansen isn't really in the discussion means there is no incumbant, no level of play to improve on from last year. So if four games into a season, the performance from two or more guys is giant gaping hole caliber...well, then it's back to the drawing board. In October.

So that's how it's a worse situation than last year. Obviously the extra bodies represent a concerted effort to improve an area of need, which worked well with WR last year.

[sportscurmudgeon]

To those who have repeatedly suggested that I link to an article by Mike Lombardi, I did not do that because I had no idea that Mike Lombardi had suggested virtually the same idea that I had somewhere else on the Internet. Obviously from the postings here, he did that. Perhaps that might mean that great minds run in similar channels and the Skins need to look into this idea. Or it could mean that two individuals who do not know each other or read what each other have to say are both waaay off base. You make the call.


To GTripp, I think you understand why I believe the Skins need to find out the cost of obtaining an OL - - preferable an OT - - from a team that seems to have a surplus now before that team has a training camp injury to deal with. That is why I started this thread. At best, I see the Skins' OL this year being the same as last year which is not all that good. If things go south on the team due to injuries or the ravages of Father Time, it could get really ugly. Remember the game last season when the Skins had to put a rookie in as a swinging gate at LT when Samuels was injured? Ouch!! I don't know if the Skins can afford Levi Jones but he too would be a significant upgrade considering what is on the roster at the moment.


To dirtbag 359, if the only thing you are concerned about is the back-up center position, you have a far more optimistic view about the guys on the roster than I do. Dockery is the only "upgrade" in terms of age and injury history along the entire line. Thomas might be back to full strength and full capability this year, but that is hardly an odds-on bet. I fear that we will be lamenting OL play before Thanksgiving this year...

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

To those who have repeatedly suggested that I link to an article by Mike Lombardi, I did not do that because I had no idea that Mike Lombardi had suggested virtually the same idea that I had somewhere else on the Internet. Obviously from the postings here, he did that. Perhaps that might mean that great minds run in similar channels and the Skins need to look into this idea. Or it could mean that two individuals who do not know each other or read what each other have to say are both waaay off base. You make the call.

If thats the case then yeah you dont need a link. I thought you got the idea from the article. He posted his article on May 15th and you made the thread two days later. Thats really crazy you two had the same idea in that close of a time frame. Thats either really cool or really scary depending on how you view Michael Lombardi.

[GMScud]

I think, on paper, the O-line is looking better this year. Samuels is generally very durable, and I think he has a couple of high level seasons left. Dockery is an upgrade over Kendall in age and talent. Rabach.... sigh... I wish I knew why the Redskins think he's so good. Maybe Edwin Williams will make us all proud and beat him out. Doubtful. Randy Thomas will if nothing else be healthier than last season. He won't be playing each down with the thought of possible paralysis in back of his mind. And RT can't get any worse than last year. Jansen IMO has no shot at winning that job. He's going to be a backup guard/center. Let Heyer and Bridges compete. Either one will be better than Jansen. Maybe we get lucky and Mike Williams decides to play like a 1st round talent.

Regardless, we're much better depth-wise along the line (supposedly Rinehart and Clark are much improved), LG is improved, and we're entering the year healthy. I'm not thrilled with our line, but I don't see any reason to ship players or picks to Jax.

[T.O.Killa]

I think our Oline will be the best we have seen in twenty years. We have depth for the first time, in a long time. I have done a complete 360 on Mike Williams, and now I believe he will start. I am also beginning to believe that Rhinehart or Bridges will be our starting right guard. This gives us a team that can overcome any injury. I see allot of talent on the oline and it has gotten younger and bigger. Lots of guys that age wise should be in their prime. I hope they can find a way to cut Jansen and use Thomas as a back up.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I think our Oline will be the best we have seen in twenty years. We have depth for the first time, in a long time. I have done a complete 360 on Mike Williams, and now I believe he will start. I am also beginning to believe that Rhinehart or Bridges will be our starting right guard. This gives us a team that can overcome any injury. I see allot of talent on the oline and it has gotten younger and bigger. Lots of guys that age wise should be in their prime. I hope they can find a way to cut Jansen and use Thomas as a back up.

So, he is what you originally thought he was?

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by GMScud

So, he is what you originally thought he was?

Sorry meant to say 180. When they signed him, I figured it was some attempt to save Dock's buddy from dying of obesity. Something that was key in getting Dock to sign here. Then I saw the guy was 450 pounds of a mammoth muscle man that needed to shed pounds just to be able to play at a sustained pace. After watching the little they have shown of him, I am prepared to deem the Redskins Oline saved.

[The Goat]

I tend to see better depth on the o-line this year (but you know what fellas that's not saying much since depth last year was just atrocious). I mean last year our depth consisted of a washed up truckdriver in Fabini and that Geisinger kid. UGH!!! Oh and i suppose Jansen was technically depth to start the season. So yeah it's nice to have a slew of guys who we can expect to be serviceable when the injuries come, but like GTripp said the starting cast is just marginally improved (Dock over Pete)...before you take into account another year of age on our guys.

Bottom line the o-line should hover around average through the season instead of starting out early as a good run-blocking unit, relatively poor pass-blocking unit but plummeting after game 8 to one of the worst units overall in the entire league. I guess if you're ok w/ average...

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I tend to see better depth on the o-line this year (but you know what fellas that's not saying much since depth last year was just atrocious). I mean last year our depth consisted of a washed up truckdriver in Fabini and that Geisinger kid. UGH!!! Oh and i suppose Jansen was technically depth to start the season. So yeah it's nice to have a slew of guys who we can expect to be serviceable when the injuries come, but like GTripp said the starting cast is just marginally improved (Dock over Pete)...before you take into account another year of age on our guys.

Bottom line the o-line should hover around average through the season instead of starting out early as a good run-blocking unit, relatively poor pass-blocking unit but plummeting after game 8 to one of the worst units overall in the entire league. I guess if you're ok w/ average...

Depth is important, especially if the guys on the bench are players whom the coaching staff have confidence on. I think that given the likelihood of an uncapped year, all of the players in the offensive line should be playing as though they are in a contract year. So I hope that brings an added sense of urgency and motivation on all these players.

[53Fan]

I think Dock, Thomas playing without his injury, and Heyer with another years experience, makes our starting group better. Not to even mention the depth. Kendall was good but couldn't practice. Thomas isn't playing with an injury this year. If Heyer hasn't improved, which I think he will, and is beaten out by Williams or Bridges, then RT has improved. He'll only get beaten out if someone plays better than him. This isn't an all-pro o-line by any means, but they should be better than last year. If someone is available after the cuts, we may take a look at them. We could probably get a better deal after they've been cut from another team anyhow.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

True, but it doesn't matter how stupid "WE" think it is, it matters if it translates to wins.
Believe it or not, Theo Epstien (GM Red Sox) got a TON of crap for trading Garciaparra in 04...turned out to be a genius move and won us the series. No one questioned it after we won, in fact, those that said it was dumb, turned around and said it was the bold move the Sox needed to win it all.
It's all about how it works. I'd trade every single draft pick next year for a super bowl win. But only for a super bowl WIN.

Funny that you said that, it reminded me of something that I heard on the radio last season. A study came out that revealed that a large percentile of men (somewhere between 70%-90%) would give up sex for 3 months if their team could win the SuperBowl. I fall into that category.

[skins89moss]

The Redskins do not need to panic and try to make a trade to aquire a RT. Camp has not even started yet to see what our own guys look like. I hate to say it but if we can't pick up a player who is released during the 53 man roster cuts than we just have to make do with what we have on our roster. Thats why postion coaches get paid to coach up the young players. As far as injuries well they happen anytime. If our O-line doesn't play well this season than maybe 2010 draft we will address that positon. Save our picks and coach up our young players. If Chris Horton can make a impact why can't a young O-Lineman do the same. We have to fined out if our backups can play, if not get rid of them.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Angry:

If indeed the Skins won the Super Bowl; and as a result, you gave up sex for 3 months, you might need to change your screen name.

May I - - ever so humbly - - suggest that it morph into "Depraved Whilst Deprived"?

[Number44]

Originally Posted by Angry

Funny that you said that, it reminded me of something that I heard on the radio last season. A study came out that revealed that a large percentile of men (somewhere between 70%-90%) would give up sex for 3 months if their team could win the SuperBowl. I fall into that category.

In other words, they'd get married if their team won the Super Bowl? LOL