Holmgren Agrees to Take Over Browns

[MTK]

Cerrato promoted?

That sure would be the ultimate FU from Snyder to the fans, my god.

I don't think Snyder would be that dumb.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Cerrato promoted?

That sure would be the ultimate FU from Snyder to the fans, my god.

I don't think Snyder would be that dumb.

Well I don't see how he can keep Cerrato around otherwise. Last time we went down this road Marty came in and canned his ass in a week. Either Vinny has nothing to do with football and Snyder tells him to eff off and not talk to him about it or he has to be gone. Because apparently he's a schmuck who can't be trusted to not whisper sweet nothings in DS's ear and undermine the whole operation.

And considering DS's apparent affinity for VC I am scared he can't actually bring himself to can him.

[SFREDSKIN]

Cerrato will be promoted to Executive Limo driver, racquetball fluffer.

[celts32]

I hate the fact that our minor improvement over the last month could save Vinny's job! This is still a bad football team that is certain to fire the coach that he hand selected. Back in the summer I thought to myself that I was prepared for a horrible season if it meant getting rid of Vinny once and for all. And now I am becoming faced with the thought of Vinny staying in spite of this awful season. If he is not fired now he never will be. He is the only person in the organization not held accountable for the results of the team.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

I hate the fact that our minor improvement over the last month could save Vinny's job! This is still a bad football team that is certain to fire the coach that he hand selected. Back in the summer I thought to myself that I was prepared for a horrible season if it meant getting rid of Vinny once and for all. And now I am becoming faced with the thought of Vinny staying in spite of this awful season. If he is not fired now he never will be. He is the only person in the organization not held accountable for the results of the team.

other than 1st round picks, its rare that draft picks contribute significantly in their rookie years. Receivers, specifically, typicaly take 2-3 years to become nfl-caliber players. The West Coast Offense takes 2-3 years for everyone - rookies and veterans - and especially QBs to master. It hasnt even been 2 years yet, and atleast 75% of the players Cerrato drafted look to be worthy of their draft selections. Other than the knee-jerk decision to trade for Jason Taylor and the decision to hire Jim Zorn as HC, Cerrato's done a pretty good job. More than anything else, the performance of the offense in the past month or so is PROOF that he's done a pretty good job overall and an above-average job in the player acquisition department. Will Cerrato be held accountable for his choice of Zorn as HC? We don't even know yet. Should he be fired for hiring Zorn? everyone is entitlted to their opinion. Its a coin toss for me. I could understand either decision. But Snyder would be a complete fool to fire Cerrato without having someone better lined up. If Snyder doesn't fire Cerrato, it'll be more of a testement to his inability to find someone better willing to take the job than anything else.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

other than 1st round picks, its rare that draft picks contribute significantly in their rookie years. Receivers, specifically, typicaly take 2-3 years to become nfl-caliber players. The West Coast Offense takes 2-3 years for everyone - rookies and veterans - and especially QBs to master. It hasnt even been 2 years yet, and atleast 75% of the players Cerrato drafted look to be worthy of their draft selections. Other than the knee-jerk decision to trade for Jason Taylor and the decision to hire Jim Zorn as HC, Cerrato's done a pretty good job. More than anything else, the performance of the offense in the past month or so is PROOF that he's done a pretty good job overall and an above-average job in the player acquisition department. Will Cerrato be held accountable for his choice of Zorn as HC? We don't even know yet. Should he be fired for hiring Zorn? everyone is entitlted to their opinion. Its a coin toss for me. I could understand either decision. But Snyder would be a complete fool to fire Cerrato without having someone better lined up. If Snyder doesn't fire Cerrato, it'll be more of a testement to his inability to find someone better willing to take the job than anything else.

Well apparently you choose to excuse him for the past 10 years since he was not in complete control for some of them. I do not. Explain how he is the only employee in a key position that gets to stay through one failed regime to the next? And as for his draft picks...how did he use them to address the OL? Fred Davis may look pretty good now but why not an OL with that pick when we already had Cooley? Or why not a OL with the Malcom Kelly pick? We can look at individual picks all we want but he does not know how to construct a complete team. Why is it that we are finding OL on the street after the season is already down the tubes that are better then the backups we had in training camp? He claimed we did not need a good backup for Samuels because you can't replace a pro bowler. Every time I hear him open his mouth I am embarresed as a Redskins fan.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

Well apparently you choose to excuse him for the past 10 years since he was not in complete control for some of them. I do not. Explain how he is the only employee in a key position that gets to stay through one failed regime to the next? And as for his draft picks...how did he use them to address the OL? Fred Davis may look pretty good now but why not an OL with that pick when we already had Cooley? Or why not a OL with the Malcom Kelly pick? We can look at individual picks all we want but he does not know how to construct a complete team. Why is it that we are finding OL on the street after the season is already down the tubes that are better then the backups we had in training camp? He claimed we did not need a good backup for Samuels because you can't replace a pro bowler. Every time I hear him open his mouth I am embarresed as a Redskins fan.

Why don't you go to NFL.com's draft page and see what offensive tackles were available when we selected Fred Davis iand Malcom Kelly in the 2nd round. You'll have to look pretty far down to find the next one drafted.

And this year - would you have rather had Michael Oher than Brian Orakpo?

You say he doesnt know how to construct a team, but you havent even seen him finish. Gibbs drove this team into the grond and filled it up with a bunch of over-the-hill veterans. Its ridiculous to assume all the needs we were left with could be filled in just two offseasons. My guess is the strategy all along was to draft receivers in his first year, since they take a couple years to develop; then address the defensive line in 2009 and the offensive line in 2010. That way, by year 3, you have a mostly complete team.

It seems some people only want to complain. If we had drafted 3 OL in the 2nd round of 2008, which 3 would they be? How would they be playing now? Would it even have mattered if Campbell's primary targets were still Santana Moss, Randel El, and Todd Yoder? You can't freaking have everything all at once. Rebuilding an team takes time. You can't pass judgement on a GM after only 2 years when you look at what he was given to work with at the start. And you'd be foolish to say its been a failure when the actual results indicate otherwise.

As to blaming Cerrato for the past 10 years... you can think that if you want, but you have no evidence to support it. Arguing Cerrato is responsible is like claiming extraterrestrial life exists. You can't prove it either way. I'd say its just as likely he kept his job, and earned a promotiion when Gibbs left, because he was doing a great job. For all we know, Cerrato recommended all sorts of moves that Gibbs and Snyder had ignored, that in hindsight, Snyder realizes he should have adhered to. That explaination is just as likely as claiming he was responsible for the bad moves we made. We don't know what went on behind closed doors back then. We only knew who was ultimately responsible and its NEVER been Cerrato.

Bottom Line - It is blatantly obvious that our past two offseasons have been the best (in terms of player acquisiton) that this team has had under Snyder's ownership. And you want to fire the guy responsible? Without having any clue what his replacement would be? Gimme a break.

[FRPLG]

I could even see him Minn if they decide to bring in a backup they have more faith in than TJ.

[SmootSmack]

You know what might be interesting is if Holmgren takes the Cleveland job then the Seattle opportunity is still there so....enter Mike Shanahan? West coast team, hands-off owner, potential top 10 pick

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You know what might be interesting is if Holmgren takes the Cleveland job then the Seattle opportunity is still there so....enter Mike Shanahan? West coast team, hands-off owner, potential top 10 pick

That's a compelling argument but I cant imagine Shanahan wanting to go to Seattle. Seems like it would be a "step down" to me. Besides, i'd really be surprised if Mora is fired after only one year. Yeah, the seahawks stink, but its not like he inherited a team that had must talent.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You know what might be interesting is if Holmgren takes the Cleveland job then the Seattle opportunity is still there so....enter Mike Shanahan? West coast team, hands-off owner, potential top 10 pick

Dang. Now there's an intelligent call from left field.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

One year from now, I think Campbell will be with the Cowher-coached Carolina Panthers, having already secured a playoff berth and fighting for a first-round bye.

[Ruhskins]

Thread bump, looks like Holmgren is the new guy in charge in Cleveland...

Mike Holmgren agrees to deal as Cleveland Browns president - ESPN

Can someone update the title? Thanks.

[WaldSkins]

Anyone see Zorn in Orange and Brown next season?