Source:McNabb to ask for release after season.

[DIEHARD1980]

I truly hope none of you are actually wanting Rex Grossman to be the Skins Starting QB next year. He is a bum and always will be. Some Qb's are meant to be back ups and he is one of them.

[Longtimefan]

We're talking about a player that just a few short months ago was deemed our temporary savior at the QB position, team leader, captain, the Elway-east......now may not even fetch a 3rd round d/p. Amazing how things can change in such a short order. [sarc]

[BigHairedAristocrat]

When talking about trade value, lets remember how McNabb got here - a 2010 2nd rounder and a conditional pick in 2011 that ended up being a 4th rounder (the equivalent of a 2010 5th rounder. A number of teams were allegedly interested in McNabb, but no one wanted to give up a 2nd rounder as high as what the Redskins gave up. The eagles traded McNabb TO A DIVISION RIVAL, because no other NFL team thought he was worth a top 5 pick in the 2nd round.... this after being the franchise quarterback for 11 years. McNabbs horrible play in 2010 has solidified what 30 other NFL teams already guessed - McNabb is garbage.

Barring a pre-season injury to a starting QB in a WCO system combined with a panic move made by a GM or coach on the hotseat, I dont think we get much of anything for him. My best guess would be a conditional 2012 pick that could range anywhere from nothing to a 5th rounder. And i think we get nothing in return. I hate to say it, but i really think we would be best off cutting him and moving on. Any compensation we get in return is not worth the distraction of his presence here.

[scowan]

We have him under contract, which is probably the ONLY thing that will allow us to actually TRADE him and not have to release him. Someone is going to want him come Jan, or Feb. Vikings maybe? They are great at giving up draft picks for guys (ala Moss)

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by scowan

We have him under contract, which is probably the ONLY thing that will allow us to actually TRADE him and not have to release him. Someone is going to want him come Jan, or Feb. Vikings maybe? They are great at giving up draft picks for guys (ala Moss)

I was thinking of the Vikings before, but remember, chilly is gone. Whether Frazier stays on as the permanent HC or a new coach is brought in, there's no garauntee the Vikings will stick with a WCO. As of right now, I don't see a single team in the NFL that runs a WCO similar to Phillys that needs a QB. I honestly dont think there will even be a market for McNabb.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I was thinking of the Vikings before, but remember, chilly is gone. Whether Frazier stays on as the permanent HC or a new coach is brought in, there's no garauntee the Vikings will stick with a WCO. As of right now, I don't see a single team in the NFL that runs a WCO similar to Phillys that needs a QB. I honestly dont think there will even be a market for McNabb.

I wouldn't go that far. There are teams around the league that need a good, veteran QB. No matter how off this year has been for McNabb, he is still a good QB, just didn't fit here in Washington. I'd say we can at least get a fifth rounder for him with maybe a conditional fourth if he takes his next team to the playoffs.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I wouldn't go that far. There are teams around the league that need a good, veteran QB. No matter how off this year has been for McNabb, he is still a good QB, just didn't fit here in Washington. I'd say we can at least get a fifth rounder for him with maybe a conditional fourth if he takes his next team to the playoffs.

If McNabb were still a good QB, the Eatles wouldnt have traded him to a division rival. Name one team that we know for sure will run a WCO in 2011where McNabb would be an upgrade over the incumbant QB. I can't see a single one. And there won't be ANY trade market for mcnabb unless there are atleast two teams vying for his services.

McNabb's position with the Shanahans this year was "Ive done it my way for 11 years. Don't try to make me do something different." THAT's why he wasnt a "good fit" here. So what makes you or any other team think he'll be good for their team?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If McNabb were still a good QB, the Eatles wouldnt have traded him to a division rival. Name one team that we know for sure will run a WCO in 2011where McNabb would be an upgrade over the incumbant QB. I can't see a single one. And there won't be ANY trade market for mcnabb unless there are atleast two teams vying for his services.

McNabb's position with the Shanahans this year was "Ive done it my way for 11 years. Don't try to make me do something different." THAT's why he wasnt a "good fit" here. So what makes you or any other team think he'll be good for their team?

Why does it have to be a West Coast Offense? There are plenty of places McNabb could go, even if it was a backup situation. San Fran, Oakland, Arizona, Minnesota, possibly even Seattle just to name a few. And exactly, where did that quote come from? Because, if McNabb truly did do it "his way" for the last 11 years, then he would have never left Philadelphia.

McNabb still has some tread left on his tires.

[DIEHARD1980]

Wish, adam schefter would just stay out of shanahans back pocket and stop starting all the controversy on this team.

[MTK]

There's always a market for starting QBs. DM isn't done yet.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

There's always a market for starting QBs. DM isn't done yet.

I don't think he's a top 25 starter in this league, primarily because of his inaccuracy. When you factor in what his financial expectations are, his seeming unwillingness to change/adjust and his propensity for passive aggressive drama, he's going to have very few options. I'd say it would have to be a team with talent everywhere but behind center, with a coach that needs to win now. Who does that leave?

Arizona- Pretty unlikely since Skelton didn't look bad the other night and Whisenhunt has publicly claimed no interest.

Cincinnati- Only makes sense if they let Palmer go and Marvin Lewis stays. I'm guessing TO would need to be out of town as well...

Miami- If Sparano is kept around and doesn't trust his career to Chad Henne, this could make sense. They've got a strong ground game and showed that they are not averse to big money free agents. The owner is also a fame/publicity whore who's having trouble filling seats.

Minnesota- Honestly, they need to get a look at Webb. He could be a diamond in the rough. Failing that, it would depend on the new coach and the offensive system he chooses.

Tennessee- if Young leaves and Fisher stays. Fisher is obviously willing to gamble on past their prime players. (See: Moss, Randy)

The above is, imho, a max list. In actuality, probably only 2 of those teams will have any interest. I think he really hurt himself this year and the past couple with the drama.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I don't think he's a top 25 starter in this league, primarily because of his inaccuracy. When you factor in what his financial expectations are, his seeming unwillingness to change/adjust and his propensity for passive aggressive drama, he's going to have very few options. I'd say it would have to be a team with talent everywhere but behind center, with a coach that needs to win now. Who does that leave?

Arizona- Pretty unlikely since Skelton didn't look bad the other night and Whisenhunt has publicly claimed no interest.

Cincinnati- Only makes sense if they let Palmer go and Marvin Lewis stays. I'm guessing TO would need to be out of town as well...

Miami- If Sparano is kept around and doesn't trust his career to Chad Henne, this could make sense. They've got a strong ground game and showed that they are not averse to big money free agents. The owner is also a fame/publicity whore who's having trouble filling seats.

Minnesota- Honestly, they need to get a look at Webb. He could be a diamond in the rough. Failing that, it would depend on the new coach and the offensive system he chooses.

Tennessee- if Young leaves and Fisher stays. Fisher is obviously willing to gamble on past their prime players. (See: Moss, Randy)

The above is, imho, a max list. In actuality, probably only 2 of those teams will have any interest. I think he really hurt himself this year and the past couple with the drama.

More and more I see these as possibilities. I don't think Minnesota will make that move now, not with Childress gone and Webb-mania running wild. I don't see AZ happening either since there has been as much smoke coming from there saying 'no'.

Miami is really intriguing because there's a lot going on there. They have some talent at WR, a good OL and somewhat of a running game (but I think both are FA this year). Ross wants a big name as a coach but I don't see Cowher or Gruden coming. Fisher, maybe but Childress could emerge here as well. If Fisher is fired and Chilly doesn't go to Miami, he could land in Tennessee. That's the McNabb link. Together, they could make the Dolphins a contender in the AFC East. The biggest mistake we did with McNabb was trying to change who he was. If we accepted that he was a 6 rather than a 10 and worked with that then our offense may have performed better. I blame Shanny(s) for being a bit stubborn because as many observers noted, this is who McNabb is.. He will hit the big plays, be inaccurate at times, make some plays with his feet and be comfortable doing what he likes to do.

[SolidSnake84]

I'm kind of dissappointed in D Mac on this one.

He has been nothing but a classy guy his whole career. Maybe a little insecure at times, but nonetheless a good guy, and a great ambassador for the NFL. He has never been a drama queen, he has never been a hold-out, or a negative locker room presence.

Asking for his release, seems to me, kind of a prima-donna thing to do. It's like saying, "hey, i played bad all season, but if they won't guarantee me a starting job next year, then i'm out of here. Why should I have to earn it or put in any effort? I'm Donovan McNabb".

I expected him to say something like "I'm dissappointed at how things worked out this year, but I was able to learn a whole lot and i can't wait to work my butt off over the off-season and come in here next year and compete for the starting job". That's what I figured he would say.

Can we really say without a doubt that Donovan is a guaranteed starter SOMEWHERE next year, after his numbers this season? Like someone else said, he is basically a bigger, more athletic Jason Campbell, who is a good guy, but just can't make the offense work.

If anything, Donovan showed this year that while he can still make the occasional big play or 2 during a game, he is an aging QB who is past his prime, and at this stage in his career he can put up mediocre, sometimes solid numbers. He will not lose the game, but when down, he cannot win the game for you. Kind of like JC.

I think Donovan is best served at this point in his career as a primary backup. Kind of like Mark Brunell has done with the Saints, and now Jets. He is a guy who can still play if needed, but his primary job is to be a mentor and good influence to young players.

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I'm kind of dissappointed in D Mac on this one.

He has been nothing but a classy guy his whole career. Maybe a little insecure at times, but nonetheless a good guy, and a great ambassador for the NFL. He has never been a drama queen, he has never been a hold-out, or a negative locker room presence.

Asking for his release, seems to me, kind of a prima-donna thing to do. It's like saying, "hey, i played bad all season, but if they won't guarantee me a starting job next year, then i'm out of here. Why should I have to earn it or put in any effort? I'm Donovan McNabb".
I expected him to say something like "I'm dissappointed at how things worked out this year, but I was able to learn a whole lot and i can't wait to work my butt off over the off-season and come in here next year and compete for the starting job". That's what I figured he would say.

Can we really say without a doubt that Donovan is a guaranteed starter SOMEWHERE next year, after his numbers this season? Like someone else said, he is basically a bigger, more athletic Jason Campbell, who is a good guy, but just can't make the offense work.

If anything, Donovan showed this year that while he can still make the occasional big play or 2 during a game, he is an aging QB who is past his prime, and at this stage in his career he can put up mediocre, sometimes solid numbers. He will not lose the game, but when down, he cannot win the game for you. Kind of like JC.

I think Donovan is best served at this point in his career as a primary backup. Kind of like Mark Brunell has done with the Saints, and now Jets. He is a guy who can still play if needed, but his primary job is to be a mentor and good influence to young players.

I think most, if not all, would agree that it's unrealistic for McNabb to expect to be granted his request for a release, but I think it's perfectly reasonable for him to ask for it. This is a business, and he's a veteran player facing the tail end of his career, so why wouldn't he attempt to gain the maximum control over where he ends it? The Redskins have made it relatively clear that they would prefer to be without him but have made a financial commitment to him, so while his release wouldn't be the most ideal scenario for the Redskins, it's not as if there would be no benefit to the team at all. Frankly, it would be dumb for McNabb not to ask for his release.

[skinsfan69]

I doubt they will release him. But the Shanahans haven't really helped themsleves cause all they've done is hurt DM's value by letting rumors get out about his not being able to pick up their offesnse and so forth. And DM hasn't helped himself with his sloppy play. There was a small market for McNabb before he got here and now it's going to be even smaller.