Lost Some Faith In Shanahan

[ashvirtually]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I would have taken him out too but now that we've had some time to reflect I think the criticism Shanahan is taking is a little unwarranted.

We don't know all the facts as far as what was going on down on the sidelines or what info he had, or didn't have.

RG3 isn't the first guy in sports history to play hurt. Plenty of guys have been lauded for their courage for playing hurt or sick. And I expect if he somehow pulled that game out he'd be a hero for it. Since we lost it's easier to label it as a bad decision.

It's funny all week anytime I've heard an ex-player talk about it, most have supported the decision to keep him in the game, while those in the media that aren't ex-players are saying it was a bad move.

It's all gonna be decided in hindsight. If there's nothing seriously wrong with Robert's leg, then it was the right call. If it is a career ender, then it was the wrong call.

Obviously it's not going to be a career ender. He's going to play football again, though everything I'm hearing and reading is suggesting he won't be QBing for the 'Skins again until mid-2013-season at best, summer 2014 at worse.

If I'm Snyder, tho', I might want to have a quiet word with my coach, and talk to him about the advisability of risking my property's value without some reasonable process in place to provide some perspective on such decisions. Surely we can do better than, "Hey, you OK?" when deciding a young man's fate and the future of one of the most valuable sports franchises in the world.

Myself, I'm cautious fellow. I think that after you're two TDs up with Robert, I would have thought back to game 7 in the 1970 NBA playoffs. Willis Reed, the Knicks starting center, playing with a badly injured knee, limped onto the court and hit his first two shots. Then he sat down, having inspired the team and the crowd. The Knicks beat the Lakers by 15.

Maybe you sit Robert down for a while up 14-zip after one quarter. 'Cause after that, he pretty much stunk up the joint. Understandably, but still...

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I would have taken him out too but now that we've had some time to reflect I think the criticism Shanahan is taking is a little unwarranted.

We don't know all the facts as far as what was going on down on the sidelines or what info he had, or didn't have.

RG3 isn't the first guy in sports history to play hurt. Plenty of guys have been lauded for their courage for playing hurt or sick. And I expect if he somehow pulled that game out he'd be a hero for it. Since we lost it's easier to label it as a bad decision.

It's funny all week anytime I've heard an ex-player talk about it, most have supported the decision to keep him in the game, while those in the media that aren't ex-players are saying it was a bad move.

That is true,and that is exactly why it shouldnt be left up to the player,the coach should no better.
I was listening to the radio yesterday skipping from channel to channel,turned on the nfl channel on Sirius,they were discussing the situation.{I wish like hell I knew who was talking but I dont}
Former player was talking,saying he was in similar situation.He admitted to playing hurt,said "was I the best man to help us win that day,NO,but I was what got us there and I deserved to be in there"
I was flabbergasted and couldnt believe he would admit to that,that should tell you all you need to know about players,most are selfish

[Alvin Walton]

Nope nope....I'm on the crucify Shanahan team.
We mortgaged our future in a huge way and bought the shiniest most expensive toy we could find and then we used it to pound nails with.
Effin stoopid!

[SmootSmack]

How do you lose faith in someone you didn't have faith in to begin with (no, I'm not letting you forget your "let's be realistic the Redskins are going to lose every game they need to down the stretch" post)

I don't think Shanahan did anything with the intent of jeopardizing his franchise QB's career. Stupid to say he doesn't care about people. Very stupid.

That said, I think the mistake he made was not benching a QB who was ineffective and struggling if even just for a drive or two. I can't totally understand the difficulty in doing that though

[milellie111]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How do you lose faith in someone you didn't have faith in to begin with (no, I'm not letting you forget your "let's be realistic the Redskins are going to lose every game they need to down the stretch" post)

I don't think Shanahan did anything with the intent of jeopardizing his franchise QB's career. Stupid to say he doesn't care about people. Very stupid.

That said, I think the mistake he made was not benching a QB who was ineffective and struggling if even just for a drive or two. I can't totally understand the difficulty in doing that though

Excuse me for being a realist and not a homer. Maybe you're referring the thread i started about predictions on the Pittsburg Steelers game and i just made some objective observations? Call it negative in tone about the team or whatever, i was just stating how i saw things realistically. Did you predict this team to go 10-6 in the beginning of the season? I highly doubt it just like everyone else. So if you would have predicted 8-8, you should have been looked at as a pessimist? So why do i get tarred and feathered (mostly by you on this board) for stating my opinion?

Stupid to say he doesn't care about people? Perhaps you know Shanahan personally and have family dinners at his house. All I'm just going by is his track record and first hand accounts of what happened in Denver of him putting a players health aside to win a game. Oh yeah, and what i witnessed on the 2nd row behind the Redskins bench this past Sunday.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by milellie111

Excuse me for being a realist and not a homer. Maybe you're referring the thread i started about predictions on the Pittsburg Steelers game and i just made some objective observations? Call it negative in tone about the team or whatever, i was just stating how i saw things realistically. Did you predict this team to go 10-6 in the beginning of the season? I highly doubt it just like everyone else. So if you would have predicted 8-8, you should have been looked at as a pessimist? So why do i get tarred and feathered (mostly by you on this board) for stating my opinion?

Stupid to say he doesn't care about people? Perhaps you know Shanahan personally and have family dinners at his house. All I'm just going by is his track record and first hand accounts of what happened in Denver of him putting a players health aside to win a game. Oh yeah, and what i witnessed on the 2nd row behind the Redskins bench this past Sunday.

Dude your the reason RG3 was injuried! I heard Danny Boy call down to Shanny and say "our dream seat experience is not meeting Millie Vanillie's expectations, keep RG3 in to win this game." So while you were drowning in bordem, lack of comfort and shitty hotdogs RG3 is literrally fighting his guts out trying to win the game for u! Selfish bitch and does Danny know you only paid $285 a piece for them?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by milellie111

Excuse me for being a realist and not a homer. Maybe you're referring the thread i started about predictions on the Pittsburg Steelers game and i just made some objective observations? Call it negative in tone about the team or whatever, i was just stating how i saw things realistically. Did you predict this team to go 10-6 in the beginning of the season? I highly doubt it just like everyone else. So if you would have predicted 8-8, you should have been looked at as a pessimist? So why do i get tarred and feathered (mostly by you on this board) for stating my opinion?

Stupid to say he doesn't care about people? Perhaps you know Shanahan personally and have family dinners at his house. All I'm just going by is his track record and first hand accounts of what happened in Denver of him putting a players health aside to win a game. Oh yeah, and what i witnessed on the 2nd row behind the Redskins bench this past Sunday.

One partial reason, and I could be speaking only from my bias, is that rather than joining in discussions (ie replying to ongoing threads) you start a new thread that is a rehash of what others are already talking about. So then you simply spawn a thread which is a re-tread, and ultimately inane. But hey, don't worry about the other posts already discussing a topic, knock yourself out, and let us know the wisdom that comes from the fount of milellie11

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

One partial reason, and I could be speaking only from my bias, is that rather than joining in discussions (ie replying to ongoing threads) you start a new thread that is a rehash of what others are already talking about. So then you simply spawn a thread which is a re-tread, and ultimately inane. But hey, don't worry about the other posts already discussing a topic, knock yourself out, and let us know the wisdom that comes from the fount of milellie11

Yes!

Mil- You rarely participate in any active discussions, but rather starts your own "look at me" threads that are often not necessary

You deserve grief for your "realistic" post because it was filled with so much flawed analysis.

You need to participate more in the active forums. Because right now most people see that you've started a new thread and-even if it's a legit discussion like this one-think "crap, here we go again. Another milellie thread"

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yes!

Mil- You rarely participate in any active discussions, but rather starts your own "look at me" threads that are often not necessary

You deserve grief for your "realistic" post because it was filled with so much flawed analysis.

You need to participate more in the active forums. Because right now most people see that you've started a new thread and-even if it's a legit discussion like this one-think "crap, here we go again. Another milellie thread"

Word.

[milellie111]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yes!

Mil- You rarely participate in any active discussions, but rather starts your own "look at me" threads that are often not necessary

You deserve grief for your "realistic" post because it was filled with so much flawed analysis.

You need to participate more in the active forums. Because right now most people see that you've started a new thread and-even if it's a legit discussion like this one-think "crap, here we go again. Another milellie thread"

Trust me, i am not trying to clutter the board. I honestly didn't see any other threads that related to what i posted about this injury and Mike Shanhans previous track history in Denver with players injuries. I'm not trying to be a know it all or post "look at me" threads.

Realistically, everyone's analysis are flawed. Even Sports commentators who get paid big bucks to give their opinons. Some folks side with Stephen A Smith, some side with Skip Bayless, some think their both idiots. Who's right and who's wrong? At the end of the day, they are just opinions.

[los panda]

i'm not blaming anyone. yeah, hindsight is 20/20...

it's professional football

[The Goat]

Been too bummed and pissed about football since the game to post here. Can't escape it though as my office is full of football fans, and all I've heard since yesterday morning is how asinine and irresponsible Shanahan and the Redskins are. Lots of folks in my neck of the woods are all too familiar with Mike's (similar) history in Denver with Plummer and Davis, among other things. As I've probably said before, nearly all the Broncos fans I know despise Shanahan now, and I think his overall handling of RG (not just the injury, but the entire scheme as Herm Edwards mentioned) is another example of why this guy can't be trusted. You have a player who already suffered a terrible knee injury in college and is clearly not built to withstand contact against pro defenses, yet build the entire offense around him keeping/running the ball more than any rookie QB in history?

Earlier in the season I said if we want RG for a longterm franchise QB, Snyder will have to "save" him from the Shanahans. My hope is RG doesn't take another snap under this regime.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Been too bummed and pissed about football since the game to post here. Can't escape it though as my office is full of football fans, and all I've heard since yesterday morning is how asinine and irresponsible Shanahan and the Redskins are. Lots of folks in my neck of the woods are all too familiar with Mike's (similar) history in Denver with Plummer and Davis, among other things. As I've probably said before, nearly all the Broncos fans I know despise Shanahan now, and I think his overall handling of RG (not just the injury, but the entire scheme as Herm Edwards mentioned) is another example of why this guy can't be trusted. You have a player who already suffered a terrible knee injury in college and is clearly not built to withstand contact against pro defenses, yet build the entire offense around him keeping/running the ball more than any rookie QB in history?

Earlier in the season I said if we want RG for a longterm franchise QB, Snyder will have to "save" him from the Shanahans. My hope is RG doesn't take another snap under this regime.

So take away what he does best to keep him from getting injured makes no sense.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So take away what he does best to keep him from getting injured makes no sense.

It's easier to blame the Shanahans for RGIII's failure to slide or run out of bounds. After all, they were responsible for his fumbles and INTs. Somebody take that madden controller from Kyle!!!

[CRedskinsRule]

can't we close (or merge) this one? how many threads does this part of the conversation need?