Cooley - Redskins or no one

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I might be in the minority here, but if he has kept in shape, I still think Cooley and Davis would be great in 2 TE setups. I'm sure he will work out for the team, I hope he finds another home in the NFL though if not here. I still think the guy has at least 2 or 3 years left. It all depends on his work ethic from this offseason. At 900k, I don't think he is that big of a deal money wise over Paul.........

What did you see from Colley this past year that makes you think he could produce for a few more years? Was it that one catch for 8 yards? Its not the money its the roster spot I don't want to throw away on Cooley. He had the 2nd chance to show he could still produce on the field and failed.

[Meks]

^ i dont think he was really given that much of a shot, 90% of his time on the field he was blocking/decoy..

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What did you see from Colley this past year that makes you think he could produce for a few more years? Was it that one catch for 8 yards? Its not the money its the roster spot I don't want to throw away on Cooley. He had the 2nd chance to show he could still produce on the field and failed.

You failed! To recognize they didn't work Cooley into the gameplan. He made the most out of his one opportunity.

LOL. I bet Shanny drafts a TE. We need someone behind Davis and Paulsen.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Meks

^ i dont think he was really given that much of a shot, 90% of his time on the field he was blocking/decoy..

There was a reason for that. Look back at the reviews from camp, his loss of a step (or more) was obvious to those who observed him.

From all that I have read, Shanny is one of those "Prove It To Me" coaches. If you want to be put in a position to produce on the field, you need to show him that you can do it in practice. So, Cooley, who - by all accounts I read from people paid to make such observations - was not getting it done in practice, was simply not getting plays run through him on game day.

Given his penchant for key drops, however, I am pretty sure Paul is showing speed and little else. Something that Cooley never really possessed. It seems to me, Paul is Davis' back-up and Cooley is Paulson's back-up. At this stage of their respective careers, Paulson is hands down the better player.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by The Goat

You failed! To recognize they didn't work Cooley into the gameplan. He made the most out of his one opportunity.

LOL. I bet Shanny drafts a TE. We need someone behind Davis and Paulsen.

Whoever they put behind Davis and Paulsen, they had better be able to do something on special teams. Seeing as the number three TE gets rated on that aspect more so than the first two.

Lets be honest, when our problem is 3rd stringers, why are we complaining? We arent New England, we just came out of 20 years of mass futility and blatant stupidity from the FO. To assume that we find 42 players who could be starters in year one and win 4 Super Bowls by year 3 is a touch unrealistic for this FO, isnt it?

We need a RT, we need Secondary, but for 20 years, we needed 18 starters and an entire roster of backups...... To go 500....

Since the SB MVP has never been a 3rd string TE, or the fact that the 3rd string TE position has never been discussed as much as it has on this very board, Im going to go with... WTF? Seriously?

I think I live in an alternate dimension where the Redskins won the NFC East last year. Apparently they had 3 wins in the normal one.

[Meks]

We dont need cooley on our roster, paul is quick and still coming into his own, Paulsen proved himself viable and davis is great.. most people are only talking about it cuz.the.guy was a fan favorite and its the offseason, we.talk about whatever.we.CAN , in the offseason lol... no alternate universe

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Meks

^ i dont think he was really given that much of a shot, 90% of his time on the field he was blocking/decoy..

You don't get playing time in the game until you can prove it in practice. It's Shanny's way. Always has, always will. If he can't beat out Davis or Paulsen in practice, it tells you all you need to know. His injuries have slowed him down over the seasons unfortunately and he's one person who couldn't afford to lose a step.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Whoever they put behind Davis and Paulsen, they had better be able to do something on special teams. Seeing as the number three TE gets rated on that aspect more so than the first two.

Lets be honest, when our problem is 3rd stringers, why are we complaining? We arent New England, we just came out of 20 years of mass futility and blatant stupidity from the FO. To assume that we find 42 players who could be starters in year one and win 4 Super Bowls by year 3 is a touch unrealistic for this FO, isnt it?

We need a RT, we need Secondary, but for 20 years, we needed 18 starters and an entire roster of backups...... To go 500....

Since the SB MVP has never been a 3rd string TE, or the fact that the 3rd string TE position has never been discussed as much as it has on this very board, Im going to go with... WTF? Seriously?

I think I live in an alternate dimension where the Redskins won the NFC East last year. Apparently they had 3 wins in the normal one.

All good points my man. The flip-side is Davis is returning from injury and has an otherwise checkered past. Maybe it's just me, but I don't trust Davis to be "there" consistently. And I'm a big fan of Lunch Pale Logan, but my whole point is behind him we basically have nothing for TE. It's a tough sitz to be sure, but adding a quality TE not only gives us security against Davis' injury/suspension concerns, but it also gives us leverage in negotiations with him next year, and he's already shown he's going wherever he gets the biggest paycheck.

For those wringing their hands about our WR corp, I would say TE is yet a bigger concern, behind FS and RT.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You don't get playing time in the game until you can prove it in practice. It's Shanny's way. Always has, always will. If he can't beat out Davis or Paulsen in practice, it tells you all you need to know. His injuries have slowed him down over the seasons unfortunately and he's one person who couldn't afford to lose a step.

That theory only holds water as far as Niles Paul, and B Banks before that. What, are you telling us Paul forgets how to catch, run routes and block every game but does it to perfection on the weekdays? C'mon man.

You could make the argument Shanny rewards "potential" but even that has exceptions.

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by Meks

We dont need cooley on our roster, paul is quick and still coming into his own, ...

Agree, Cooley's done. But has Paul truly proven himself? Not sure I saw enough last year to be happy about the position yet.

Regardless, S.Sharpe broke out in his 3rd year as a TE, perhaps it could get better for Paul and he certainly has an elite QB throwing to him.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

That theory only holds water as far as Niles Paul, and B Banks before that. What, are you telling us Paul forgets how to catch, run routes and block every game but does it to perfection on the weekdays? C'mon man.

You could make the argument Shanny rewards "potential" but even that has exceptions.

Niles Paul is basically third string. He hasn't even beat out Paulsen for the position. They had him at 3rd string for his potential, not because he was a polished product. That is what you are supposed to do with guys with high upsides. Also, Paul plays special teams, Cooley does not.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by The Goat

All good points my man. The flip-side is Davis is returning from injury and has an otherwise checkered past. Maybe it's just me, but I don't trust Davis to be "there" consistently. And I'm a big fan of Lunch Pale Logan, but my whole point is behind him we basically have nothing for TE. It's a tough sitz to be sure, but adding a quality TE not only gives us security against Davis' injury/suspension concerns, but it also gives us leverage in negotiations with him next year, and he's already shown he's going wherever he gets the biggest paycheck.

For those wringing their hands about our WR corp, I would say TE is yet a bigger concern, behind FS and RT.

But the same logic can be applied to the WR position with the expiring contracts next year (Moss and Morgan), and concerns of Garcon's foot this year.

Throw in that its also possible for a 3rd string TE (whether that be a rookie or Cooley) to never get on the field except special teams and be a decent sized drop from Paul on special teams. We could actually get worse since Paul has shown something there. Hes not the best at catching, but definitely gives it up as a gunner.

I still think we only take a TE if its BPA. Give me a solid RT in the draft, and we can use Polumbus as the number 3 blocking TE for all I care.

[MTK]

Nothing at TE? Exaggerate much?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Nothing at TE? Exaggerate much?

<sitting quietly in the corner, laughing to myself>

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by The Goat

You failed! To recognize they didn't work Cooley into the gameplan. He made the most out of his one opportunity.

LOL. I bet Shanny drafts a TE. We need someone behind Davis and Paulsen.

I didn't fail to recognize anything. I'm sure the coaches gave Cooley a chance in practice as well in a few games. If he is not performing in practice the coaches will not give him the time on the field. I was one of the guys who thought Cooley still could play but he has proven me wrong. There is a reason no one was knocking at his door when he was sitting at home. I'd love if he could prove me wrong but I don't think it will happen.