Trading Patrick Ramsey

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by offiss

He did de-cleat him though.

De-cleat Him? I thought it was a girly hit. He just hit him to the ground while still standing. He should of raped him up and driven him to the ground and made him pay for the mistake. I don't want to see a cheap shot but atleast let him know he was hit.

[Skins fan 44]

There are other QBs on the trading block I would think.
Harrington in Detroit and with Houston possibly getting the #1 pick will they draft Leinhart

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Honestly, Carr isn't a bad QB. I'd be more inclined to trade down and draft some offensive linemen!

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What "overpriced on-the-downside-of-his-career free agent" have we brought in lately??

I guess that depends on how we define the term "lately". If you mean this year, none -- thank God. But this is the first year we've been conservative with free agent signings. But take my hand Matty, and let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

Mark Brunell -- granted, we like the way he's playing now, but, considering that his first year was a complete disaster, at least one season under his $43 million contract was an utter waste.

Jeremiah Trotter -- Classic Washington Redskin front office move. He's a beast as an opponent, but we pick him up when his old team doesn't want him anymore; puts on a burgundy and gold uniform and couldn't make the team at Duke.

Jessie Armstead -- This one goes back a bit further, but again, what's "lately" ?

Mike Barrow -- Our brilliant front office in action again. We signed this guy knowing full well of his knee problems.

Chad Morton -- Do I really have to explain this one?

David Patten -- It's early, I know. So the jury is still out so far. I'll give him until the end of this season. But if there's not a significant improvement in his numbers, especially considering that teams are really going to start clamping down on Santana Moss and Chris Cooley -- sorry Matty, he belongs in this group too.

Clinton Portis -- I know some people consider it a federal offense to criticize him, and maybe he's not on the down side yet, but he fits in the overpriced category as well as any other.

This is just a random sampling from 2002 to last year. Again, I'll give them credit for Snyder and Cerrato getting a hold of themselves, and not acting like Paris Hilton on Rodeo Drive. Maybe Snyder has learned his lesson from the days of Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and Jeff George. That's why I went easy on you and left them off the list. Otherwise, I'd have overloaded the server with this post.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I guess that depends on how we define the term "lately". If you mean this year, none -- thank God. But this is the first year we've been conservative with free agent signings. But take my hand Matty, and let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

Mark Brunell -- granted, we like the way he's playing now, but, considering that his first year was a complete disaster, at least one season under his $43 million contract was an utter waste.

Jeremiah Trotter -- Classic Washington Redskin front office move. He's a beast as an opponent, but we pick him up when his old team doesn't want him anymore; puts on a burgundy and gold uniform and couldn't make the team at Duke.

Jessie Armstead -- This one goes back a bit further, but again, what's "lately" ?

Mike Barrow -- Our brilliant front office in action again. We signed this guy knowing full well of his knee problems.

Chad Morton -- Do I really have to explain this one?

David Patten -- It's early, I know. So the jury is still out so far. I'll give him until the end of this season. But if there's not a significant improvement in his numbers, especially considering that teams are really going to start clamping down on Santana Moss and Chris Cooley -- sorry Matty, he belongs in this group too.

Clinton Portis -- I know some people consider it a federal offense to criticize him, and maybe he's not on the down side yet, but he fits in the overpriced category as well as any other.

This is just a random sampling from 2002 to last year. Again, I'll give them credit for Snyder and Cerrato getting a hold of themselves, and not acting like Paris Hilton on Rodeo Drive. Maybe Snyder has learned his lesson from the days of Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and Jeff George. That's why I went easy on you and left them off the list. Otherwise, I'd have overloaded the server with this post.

In the last two years:
-barrow wasn't expensive because he was a risk (just like fiore and harris), patten issn't breaking the bank either, even though he hasn't been super productive.
-portis and brunell got paid a lot (samuels and lavar too), but at least they're contributing and are well above their backups in terms of skill and production, so i wouldn't label them busts.

what about washington/harris/springs/griffin/clark/taylor/marshall, rabach/cooley/moss/sellers/thrash?

They're all performing at or above their contracts, so don't they cancel out the 3-4 "overpaid" players an the couple negliable injury risk players we tried out? over the last two years we really haven't overpaid for bad eggs like we did with trotter/armstead/bruce smith/deion etc in the past.

[MTK]

My definition of lately is the current front office setup, or Gibbs 2.0 to be exact, and in that case we've had far more hits than misses.

What happened in 2000 isn't even relevant anymore, so why keep rehashing it??

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I guess that depends on how we define the term "lately". If you mean this year, none -- thank God. But this is the first year we've been conservative with free agent signings. But take my hand Matty, and let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

Mark Brunell -- granted, we like the way he's playing now, but, considering that his first year was a complete disaster, at least one season under his $43 million contract was an utter waste.

Ummm... I don't even know how to respond to this statement. So is this an argument against Brunell? Hard to argue aginst him right now. If it isn't then why did you bring it up?

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Jeremiah Trotter -- Classic Washington Redskin front office move. He's a beast as an opponent, but we pick him up when his old team doesn't want him anymore; puts on a burgundy and gold uniform and couldn't make the team at Duke.

Let's see...he was 27 and in the prime of his career. Yep sounds just like down-side of his career to me. No one could have imagined he would be so worthless. Bad luck on this one.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Jessie Armstead -- This one goes back a bit further, but again, what's "lately" ?

Armstead actually was a decent ball player for us for a couple years. There's not much of an argument that he was a total waste.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Mike Barrow -- Our brilliant front office in action again. We signed this guy knowing full well of his knee problems.

He was older but had led the league in tackles the year before and hadn't missed a game in 7 years. He had knee tendinitis which is almost always temporary. My guess isn't that they "[knew] full well" about his knee. They woudln't have signed him if they did. Again bad luck on this one.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Chad Morton -- Do I really have to explain this one?

Well he ended up sucking but he wasn't really over priced and certainly wasn't on the down-side of his career.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

David Patten -- It's early, I know. So the jury is still out so far. I'll give him until the end of this season. But if there's not a significant improvement in his numbers, especially considering that teams are really going to start clamping down on Santana Moss and Chris Cooley -- sorry Matty, he belongs in this group too.

So are you giving him til the end of the season or not? Putting him a group like this sounds like making a judgment to me. Make up your mind.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Clinton Portis -- I know some people consider it a federal offense to criticize him, and maybe he's not on the down side yet, but he fits in the overpriced category as well as any other.

While I'd agree he looks more and more overpriced every game he isn't on the down-side of his career. I am still more convinced it is the design andnot the runner at this point.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

This is just a random sampling from 2002 to last year. Again, I'll give them credit for Snyder and Cerrato getting a hold of themselves, and not acting like Paris Hilton on Rodeo Drive. Maybe Snyder has learned his lesson from the days of Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and Jeff George. That's why I went easy on you and left them off the list. Otherwise, I'd have overloaded the server with this post.

Seems to me you picked out a bunch of guys who are at worst mildly questionable and at most were actually quality players.

[Misterbillysells]

Originally Posted by offiss

Everyone forgets Abraham sitting out the playoffs last season because he said he didn't want to jeopordize his upcoming contract, sounds like a real Gibbs type player, teams just may have a more favorable opinion of Ramsey than we do.

Thank You. I couldnt agree more. Everyday Gibbs talks about how proud he is of guys playing injured and these are regular season games. Abraham sat out in the playoffs when his coaches thought he was ready to play. Even TO wasnt that selfish. Abraham is not a Joe Gibbs kinda player so theres no doubt that he wont be traded for Ramsey. Remember the Jets called the skins early in the season looking for a trade. Im sure Abraham was on the table then and joe gibbs didnt bite and Im sure he wont change his mind anytime soon.

[Beemnseven]

Gee. I'm convinced. You guys are right. What else can you make out of a 23-33 record since 2002?

This front office is perfect. What was I thinking.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Gee. I'm convinced. You guys are right. What else can you make out of a 23-33 record since 2002?

This front office is perfect. What was I thinking.

everyone besides you considers lately as in "since gibbs got here" instead of including the horrible spurrier era GM'ing...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Gee. I'm convinced. You guys are right. What else can you make out of a 23-33 record since 2002?

This front office is perfect. What was I thinking.

What does Gibbs have to do with anything before 2004?

That's what we're talking about here, the current front office and the moves that have been made since Gibbs came back.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Gee. I'm convinced. You guys are right. What else can you make out of a 23-33 record since 2002?

This front office is perfect. What was I thinking.

Nobody's is asserting the front office is perfect. What I and the majority of posters are saying is that, since Gibbs 2.0 came around, we have been more conservative in our signings. And, since Gibbs 2.0 began, we are 11 - 13 and likely to have an overall winning record at the end of two seasons.

There has been a sea change at Redskins Park. The front office is marching to a different tune. Give credit where credit is due.

Rabach, Griffin, Washington, Springs. Good solid signings. Don't expect to see anymore Deion or Bruce signings. Expect them to occasionally sign a big name or two IF he has the right attitude and isn't asking for the bank (a' la Musin Muhammed). Expect them to occasionally take a flyer on an injured pro on the comeback and willing to play cheap (Barrow, Walt Harris). Expect them to make quality offers to their homegrown guys but not promise them the moon. Expect them to look for quality team guys who they think can make a difference.

Check back in 2007 - Then tell me what a crappy front office we have. I expect that it will continue to improve as Joe leaves his mark and teaches Danny a thing or two about how to run a sports team.

Are they gonna continue to make mistakes? yup. Do they seem to have learned from past mistakes? yup. Are they in the class of the Eagles and Patriots in terms of respect? Nope. Are they headed in that direction? Yup.

Sometimes I think people just gotta have something to bitch about.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Nobody's is asserting the front office is perfect. What I and the majority of posters are saying is that, since Gibbs 2.0 came around, we have been more conservative in our signings. And, since Gibbs 2.0 began, we are 11 - 13 and likely to have an overall winning record at the end of two seasons.

There has been a sea change at Redskins Park. The front office is marching to a different tune. Give credit where credit is due.

Rabach, Griffin, Washington, Springs. Good solid signings. Don't expect to see anymore Deion or Bruce signings. Expect them to occasionally sign a big name or two IF he has the right attitude and isn't asking for the bank (a' la Musin Muhammed). Expect them to occasionally take a flyer on an injured pro on the comeback and willing to play cheap (Barrow, Walt Harris). Expect them to make quality offers to their homegrown guys but not promise them the moon. Expect them to look for quality team guys who they think can make a difference.

Check back in 2007 - Then tell me what a crappy front office we have. I expect that it will continue to improve as Joe leaves his mark and teaches Danny a thing or two about how to run a sports team.

Are they gonna continue to make mistakes? yup. Do they seem to have learned from past mistakes? yup. Are they in the class of the Eagles and Patriots in terms of respect? Nope. Are they headed in that direction? Yup.

Sometimes I think people just gotta have something to bitch about.

I'm praying they dont embarrass us and sign T O but then again he would catch Td's but i wonder if anyone else has had this scary thought

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Gee. I'm convinced. You guys are right. What else can you make out of a 23-33 record since 2002?

This front office is perfect. What was I thinking.

If you're going to have that argument, you might as well go all the way back to 1994. You see how senseless it is?

Looking at the front office and the current Redskins staff in place, which makes perfect sense, the only real disappointment has been Mike Barrow. Well gee...ya know, one bad move out of all the other ones is a pretty good track record in my opinion.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

If you're going to have that argument, you might as well go all the way back to 1994. You see how senseless it is?

Looking at the front office and the current Redskins staff in place, which makes perfect sense, the only real disappointment has been Mike Barrow. Well gee...ya know, one bad move out of all the other ones is a pretty good track record in my opinion.

and barrow was cheap compared to his expected production...