Talent Evaluation?

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by irish

I dont see the skins getting any real impact players in the later rounds. Why make it hard for themselves, just hang on to all your picks and grab the low hanging draft fruit thats "easy" to pick and hopr for the best with the less "easy" picks.

That is what seperates the great teams from the rest, is finding gems in the lower rounds. Snyderratto has proven year after year of failure they are not able to find any great talent below the second round. You can not build a super bowl team on high draft picks and free agents alone, the salary cap will haunt you.
You need to get some cheap talent in the lower rounds of the draft, but great talent, not average guys. You must have cheap talent to round out the roster, add depth and create a great special teams unit.
Right now, if we lose Griffen or Jansen or Samuels or Sean Taylor our season is over. We have no depth to replace any one of them. All teams have injuries, and unlike last year, we are starting to get them this year.

[skinzfan44]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Well, according to a lot of the "draft experts" around here the early picks are easy.

It's the later ones that we need improving on.

Sure do!!!!!!

[#56fanatic]

I have said that Joe was just the coach in the early 80's and 90's, and Casserly and Co. built the teams. Joe didn't really have much say in those matters then. I dont think he is totally to blame for personel issues. Brunnel has turned out to be, atleast this year, a quality QB and Portis had 1300 last year and will probably end up around that this year. I said in an earlier post, the personel isn't there for a Gibbs type of team. This is a team built for more finesse than power. Portis is awesome in space, draws , screens , swing passes not up the gut all the time. once in a while he may be able to find a hole, but not all the time. as usual, maybe next year!!

[dmek25]

do we all forget the(excuse my french) cluster**** that coach gibbs walked into when he came back?if we arent in the playoffs next year i would be shocked!with the cap the way it is,you just cant overhaul your team over night,it takes time.coach gibbs isnt in canton for nothing.lets have faith.week in and week out,we are right there.its coming guys its coming

[That Guy]

I'll believe carlos is the shiznitt if he can stop bruce or fitz or boldin, the SD receivers suck and gates was hurt.

We've got decent talent, some is overpaid though, and our draft pick give aways and wasted picks (low rounders not making the team) are disturbing. I think we've improved though. Schotty won with a crappier team, spurrier made our roster worse two years in a row (lost a good Dline etc). We're still missing pieces, which sucks, but i don't think overall team talent is really our biggest problem right now.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I'll believe carlos is the shiznitt if he can stop bruce or fitz or boldin, the SD receivers suck and gates was hurt.

We've got decent talent, some is overpaid though, and our draft pick give aways and wasted picks (low rounders not making the team) are disturbing. I think we've improved though. Schotty won with a crappier team, spurrier made our roster worse two years in a row (lost a good Dline etc). We're still missing pieces, which sucks, but i don't think overall team talent is really our biggest problem right now.

Spurrier had nothing to do with the D-line or the roster. Snyderatto did.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Spurrier had nothing to do with the D-line or the roster. Snyderatto did.

wrong wrong wrong. Spurrier used a pick on taylor, spurrier thought byron chamberlain was a good idea, spurrier brought in matthews and the other gator qb, among others. To say spurrier had NOTHING to do with the roster is just dumb.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

wrong wrong wrong. Spurrier used a pick on taylor, spurrier thought byron chamberlain was a good idea, spurrier brought in matthews and the other gator qb, among others. To say spurrier had NOTHING to do with the roster is just dumb.

The rumor was when SS took over he approached Snyder about a particular personel move and Snyder told him to worry about his coaching.

[skindogger47]

Originally Posted by offiss

Ramsey who may at some point in his carreer prove to be the best of the bunch.

What in hell would drive someone to make such an outlandish comment? Ramsey will prove how good of a quarterback evaluator Steve Spurrier is at the pro level. (see Florida Gator QBs in NFL, also see All Players Drafted in Spurrier Era)

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skindogger47

What in hell would drive someone to make such an outlandish comment? Ramsey will prove how good of a quarterback evaluator Steve Spurrier is at the pro level. (see Florida Gator QBs in NFL, also see All Players Drafted in Spurrier Era)

Spurrier didn't want Ramsey. Snyderatto did.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skindogger47

What in hell would drive someone to make such an outlandish comment? Ramsey will prove how good of a quarterback evaluator Steve Spurrier is at the pro level. (see Florida Gator QBs in NFL, also see All Players Drafted in Spurrier Era)

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by offiss

Chargers fans rolled their eyes when Brees was declared the starter after Rivers held out of camp. Fortunately for them, and Marty, the Chargers showed Brees some patience by getting impatient with Rivers. Can you tell me when exactly we've shown any patience with Ramsey. We put him in, we yank him out, we put him in, we yank him out.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Chargers fans rolled their eyes when Brees was declared the starter after Rivers held out of camp. Fortunately for them, and Marty, the Chargers showed Brees some patience by getting impatient with Rivers. Can you tell me when exactly we've shown any patience with Ramsey. We put him in, we yank him out, we put him in, we yank him out.

Couldn't agree more, I know many will disagree but one of the biggest problems I have had with Gibbs is the way he just flat out pushed Ramsey out of the picture without really giving him a fair chance, last season when things became so bad he had no choice but to play Ramsey, Ramsey responded and won the starters job, only to have Gibbs looking for any excuse whatsoever to put in his guy Brunell, pretty lowsey thing to do someone to promise them the starters job all off season and then 1 quarter into first game yank him as if the guy has went 2-5 in his last 7 games. I defiently came away with a different opinion of Gibbs after watching how he handled that situation and it left a bad taste in my mouth, if Ramsey failed, ok he failed, but he deserved the opportunity to go out there and prove it one way or the other.

Yes Brunell has played well when given the time, but considering the state of the team was it really a wise decision to bring in an ageing QB if we are in fact still rebuilding? Wouldn't we be better off right now if Ramsey had been playing over the coarse of the last 2 seasons? If you believe no that's fine, I just believe that Ramsey would have greatly improved his play as he became comfortable in Gibbs system, Just like Brunell.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

Couldn't agree more, I know many will disagree but one of the biggest problems I have had with Gibbs is the way he just flat out pushed Ramsey out of the picture without really giving him a fair chance, last season when things became so bad he had no choice but to play Ramsey, Ramsey responded and won the starters job, only to have Gibbs looking for any excuse whatsoever to put in his guy Brunell, pretty lowsey thing to do someone to promise them the starters job all off season and then 1 quarter into first game yank him as if the guy has went 2-5 in his last 7 games. I defiently came away with a different opinion of Gibbs after watching how he handled that situation and it left a bad taste in my mouth, if Ramsey failed, ok he failed, but he deserved the opportunity to go out there and prove it one way or the other.

Yes Brunell has played well when given the time, but considering the state of the team was it really a wise decision to bring in an ageing QB if we are in fact still rebuilding? Wouldn't we be better off right now if Ramsey had been playing over the coarse of the last 2 seasons? If you believe no that's fine, I just believe that Ramsey would have greatly improved his play as he became comfortable in Gibbs system, Just like Brunell.

I would but the blame on three people (in no particular order):

Gibbs-I think it was a mistake for him to declare Ramsey the starter before even mini-camp started. Especially if he knew that Brunell was hurt the past season and that some time to recuperate would help him. He backed himself into an unnecessary corner by declaring Ramsey the starter when I don't think he really believed it. It also brings up the misconception that Gibbs owes something to Ramsey (I'll bring that up later)

Ramsey-In spite of finishing 3-4 as a starter last season, Ramsey did a pretty solid job. However, when he played during the preseason I didn't see someone who was any better than when he left the field against Minnesota to wrap up the 2004 season. I know people say that he wasn't given a fair chance, but I think that he had several months in the offseason to work on basic fundamentals that, in my opinion, he either didn't work on or if he did he didn't improve significantly upon them. Ramsey should have had the mentality "OK, I've been given the starting job and now I'm going to step out on the field and put so much distance between me and the next QB that there's no question I should be the guy"

The Fans-I can understand being frustrated, feeling that Ramsey was perhaps not given a fair chance. But here's the thing, Gibbs owes Ramsey nothing in my opinion. It sounds harsh I know. But when Gibbs was brought here, he was brought here to bring a winner back to DC. I'm pretty sure that Snyder, as much as he may love Ramsey, didn't tell Gibbs to help him bring back a Super Bowl trophy "but make sure Ramsey is a part of it" If Gibbs thinks that the answer is Brunell now and Campbell next year (or the year after) I think that's fine to disagree but I don't think it should be because you think he owes anything to Ramsey. (and offiss, I'm not singling you out here, just happen to be quoting your post)

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

TAFKAS,

I agree with just about everything you said in the above post. I too agree that Gibbs doesn't owe Ramsey much (although he shouldn't have told him he was going to be the starter if he was on such a short leash). I didn't intend to rehash the Brunell-Ramsey debate. All I meant to say was that our organization is very impatient and that isn't a good thing.