Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I hope we dont lose double digits this year, this board is gonna get crazy if we are this far gone already.

HAHA this board is crazy when we win 10 games!

[MTK]

Give me stats anyday over wild exaggerations and perceptions that don't match up with reality.

[BaltimoreSkins]

To me it is silly to say all three are responsible, obviously they are. It is a team sport. However, some facets are more liable for the position we are in and I have a hard time seeing how offense is held to the same level as the defense and special teams in this instance.

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Out of the 8 teams ahead of the Redskins in average points scored, only the Denver Broncos average more points scored per game than what the Redskins defense is giving up. Let that sink in for a bit. The Saints come in at 2nd place averaging 29.4 points per ball game - not enough to compensate for the points the defense gives up. All top ten of the offenses are separated by a point or two or three (and even separated by a tenth of a point), with the exception of the Denver Broncos who are averaging over 41 points per ball game.

So, your argument is that the offense needs to do better because there is no hope for the special teams and defense. An offense that is only separated by about three points from the 2nd highest scoring offense in the league - needs to do better? That just isn't a logical argument. Your other argument is someone needs to be punished for the poor effort of the defense and special teams. Yes, I agree. How about we punish the defensive coordinator and special teams coach? Seems logical to me. Have them jettisoned out of Washington in favor of someone else who provides a better effort? Pair Mike Shanahan with a defense that is in the top ten in points allowed. Then we see if it was truly a mistake to bring Shanahan in.

I didnt say anything about punishing anyone? I said the d and st suck.
Also I did not argue that the offense needs to do better really. Im simply pointing out that I do not think anyone is bashing the offense and letting the other units off the hook. I think it is more a result of - we can expect even more from this offense because it is quite capable (it is a compliment), whereas the d and st is what it is - shit. We cannot expect more than what we get from them so let it go for this year.
Also I didnt even mention Shanny.
So again - as fans we see the potential of RG-3, Morris, and Garcon and we want to win 41-38. Lol. I expect more from those guys than i do from the D. It doesnt mean I think it is their fault if we lose. They, however, are our only hope for winning.

[MTK]

Back to the pocket passer BS for a moment

Robert Griffin III: 'I've got tough skin' - ESPN

Among the criticisms: He's not a pocket passer. For now, that's accurate as Griffin operates best when the Redskins ask him to be multi-dimensional. But he's been hot on third downs in the past two games, completing 16-of-21 passes for 196 yards and two touchdowns -- and most have come on straight dropbacks. He's third in the NFL the past two weeks on third downs with a total quarterback rating of 97.0, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Back to the pocket passer BS for a moment

Robert Griffin III: 'I've got tough skin' - ESPN

Among the criticisms: He's not a pocket passer. For now, that's accurate as Griffin operates best when the Redskins ask him to be multi-dimensional. But he's been hot on third downs in the past two games, completing 16-of-21 passes for 196 yards and two touchdowns -- and most have come on straight dropbacks. He's third in the NFL the past two weeks on third downs with a total quarterback rating of 97.0, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

Matty you love your stats...lol.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Matty you love your stats...lol.

Stats are like a hot knife through a steaming pile of BS.

Blame Keim he wrote it. I'm just sharing the knowledge.

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Originally Posted by HailGreen28

The first four games, we scored 27(7 off a pick 6), 20, 20, and 24 points respectively.

The defense gave up 33, 38, 27, 14 respectively.

We need the offense to step up because the defense and special teams BOTH SUCK, and the offense stepped up to carry us last season. But Kyle and the offense aren't the problem.

The last paragraph is exactly my point. I think some of the frustration with the o in this thread is being misread as critiscism when it is just a desperate cry to help our lousy d and st even more! Lol.

[GTripp0012]

The problem with the argument that the offense is doing well overall is two things:

The Redskins have played the 32nd ranked schedule of defenses according to Football Outsiders.

A lot of the points-yards discrepancy is because the defense is scoring at a considerable rate.

Both of these are major factors which when considered re-categorizes the offense as average-ish. The running game is good. Really good. It's carrying the offense. Since the bye, it's been the top running game in the NFL. The passing game is still wildly inconsistent at best and not very good at worst. In sum, the offense has not been a great asset this year, at least according to the numbers.

The defense has also been wildly inconsistent, but their ranking is probably more harsh than their performance. They rank in the bottom quarter of the league by most measures, but they're not that far off from average. They've just faced a really tough schedule.

[GTripp0012]

The PROBLEM of course is neither the offense or the defense: it's the special teams. But I don't think it's accurate to hype the offense this year as a great success when we haven't been able to throw or convert third downs on any defense worth it's salt this season.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The only nonsense around here are all the excuses and apologies made for the sad state of the team under the current regime. It's a constant bait and switch game. I've said in the past guys like Pete Carroll built great teams in a short time, only to hear Seattle's situation wasn't nearly as bad as what Mike took over. So I say, ok, Carroll had some talent and added to it smartly, only to hear people NOW say Carroll started with nothing. LOL.

It's become an ongoing joke for me to see how the stories will change next, all to somehow exonerate Mike's trash winning record this season, overall with the Redskins, and long before that.

So Cunningham was skinny like RG and that proves that Mike should stay and he's the best and anybody who says otherwise is just wrong. LMAO.

But it's really sad on the other hand. We've missed so many great coaching opportunities over the last four years (Carroll and Reid being my fav but there's several others who've shown superior coaching ability and team building than what we have) and will undoubtedly see more opportunities pass as long as we stick with the guy who hasn't put a complete team together in nearly decade, who's message clearly doesn't generate discipline, preparedness, or a competitive team.

On a deeper level, I keep wondering about the psyche behind supporting a losing situation. Behind supporting a loser. Underdog is one thing, but this is totally different. For instance, if someone is a hardcore Denver fan who fell in love with Mike Shanahan 15 years ago and can't let go of the past, well I've known a few of those (dad was). But for people who otherwise would have no allegiance to Shanahan to just doggedly bait and switch and build up straw men and make all kinds of idiotic excuses for him, I'll just never understand it. Will you guys follow Mike to his next team?

So you're basically saying you didn't know what type of situation Carroll took over at all. Who's the one changing their story?

I'm still cracking up over you saying Cunningham was burly. That's a keeper. What's next, Riggins was a scatback? lol

If you're so interested in the psyche of following a loser, ask yourself why you continue to be a fan of the Redskins.

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The problem with the argument that the offense is doing well overall is two things:

The Redskins have played the 32nd ranked schedule of defenses according to Football Outsiders.

A lot of the points-yards discrepancy is because the defense is scoring at a considerable rate.

Both of these are major factors which when considered re-categorizes the offense as average-ish. The running game is good. Really good. It's carrying the offense. Since the bye, it's been the top running game in the NFL. The passing game is still wildly inconsistent at best and not very good at worst. In sum, the offense has not been a great asset this year, at least according to the numbers.

The defense has also been wildly inconsistent, but their ranking is probably more harsh than their performance. They rank in the bottom quarter of the league by most measures, but they're not that far off from average. They've just faced a really tough schedule.

Quoted for I hate that this makes sense. Lol
The Eagles D has quietly made some huge strides. Cut their ppg allowed in half over the last few weeks. So Sunday should be a good measuring stick.

[Chico23231]

If another coach, you think 2009 was a playoff team?

You know, you really got me thinking about the context of 2009 defense and Ill probably more inclined to agree than before. Its not just RG3, but I think the top end talent on the Offense is head and shoulders above, I really strongly believe that. I really think we add 2 WR to this team and back to wow factor quickly. Easier said than done.

I think the most disappointing thing is you made me think about our Dline...really underachieving imo. Thats a good point.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

If another coach, you think 2009 was a playoff team?

You know, you really got me thinking about the context of 2009 defense and Ill probably more inclined to agree than before. Its not just RG3, but I think the top end talent on the Offense is head and shoulders above, I really strongly believe that. I really think we add 2 WR to this team and back to wow factor quickly. Easier said than done.

I think the most disappointing thing is you made me think about our Dline...really underachieving imo. Thats a good point.

Um, probably not a playoff team. 8 or 9 wins was pretty reasonable though. Think Dallas and Philly both went 11-5 that year though.

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Tripp do you not think Garcon is as good as I do? Last year when he played we won. When he didnt we lost. This year he is aces. I agree with your assessment of 09 vs 13 minus two things. JAson Campbell sucked. I cant even mention him in the same breath as Griff. Also our wr core is better now solely due to Garcon. Dude is a stud.