Mark Maske on 980 today...

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm sure he knows a helluva lot more than you or I and like he said he does have a Super Bowl ring and a National Championship on his resume. So if I was somehow going to be running a NFL franchise and Vinny was on my speed dial, I wouldn't put my knowledge level above his and not call him.

But what I am trying to get at is there are others out there besides him. I am not trying to say you or I are above him, but that there are others out there that are above him that you would call first.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think you have to start with Gibbs and look at the entire process/setup. This current setup is a very collaborative effort, I don't see how we can sit here on the outside and definitively point to the exact person or problem in the process to blame.

So too many cooks in the kitchen?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Bill B

So too many cooks in the kitchen?

Maybe, maybe not.

Gibbs has always had one of the largest coaching staffs in the league even going back to his first stint. So he's obviously comfortable with that kind of setup.

There are many reasons for the team's slide last year and I don't think personnel is necessarily the end all answer as to what went wrong.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Maybe, maybe not.

Gibbs has always had one of the largest coaching staffs in the league even going back to his first stint. So he's obviously comfortable with that kind of setup.

There are many reasons for the team's slide last year and I don't think personnel is necessarily the end all answer as to what went wrong.

Injuries were definately a part of the demise. Bringing in a young qb will also have its growing pains as I expect their to be some gowing pains next year as well since it will be Jason's first full year under the gun. Also I think the new division setup has made it harder on all the NFC East teams as they no longer get to beat up the Cardinals for 2 wins a year like it used to be.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think you have to start with Gibbs and look at the entire process/setup. This current setup is a very collaborative effort, I don't see how we can sit here on the outside and definitively point to the exact person or problem in the process to blame.

I think we can all agree that the current set up is not working , however, in the absence of one person to blame, i.e. Millen in Detroit, the blame has to go to who has been designated by reputation as the primary talent evaluator and that's been Vinny. The mistakes of Gibbs II have been noted so much it's not worth reapeating but it's clear that something needs fixing. Einstien said once the definition of insanity is repeating the same actions and expecting different results. Our drafting record since Cerrato has been around is abysmal, free agency has been more negative than positive, other than Moss and Portis the trading decisions have been dubious. I fear until Snyder sells the team or becomes COMPLETELY uninvolved (I know all he does is negotiate and sign checks now) we're doomed to repeat our failures of the past.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Tafkas - I guess what I am getting at is what I belive the Redskins should focus on is getting a player personnel person that has a really good history with drafts and trades and overpay him so his current team cannot match. If the Skins brought Millen in I, like many other fans, would be pissed. But if you brought in someone who has a great history of making good drafts and trades I know I would be a happy camper.

Now since good GMs/player personel men are hard to come by I would think almost by default you would have to change the structure of the FO - you couldn't bring in a Scott Pioli and say Gibbs would be able to override all your decisions because he is in such demand and coming from a position of power in New England. So my proposal would be at least something similar to what Gibbs and Bethard had where Bethard had control over draft picks and if Gibbs wanted a FA he could go get him (although I would say that since the cap was not in effect at the time you would propbably need to have GM approval as far as contract amounts go so we could avoid overspending)

I don't think that the talent we bring in is that bad its the way they are handled after we decide who we want. Take Loyd for example he had another year on his contract which we could have gone with to see how he would work out and if it went as it did this past year let him go. We offered him a deal which he did not have to work for and now we are stuck with him. I think if he had one year deal here he may have worked harder to earn that new deal and then give him the deal we did. I know there have been other bad pick up's but if we did not give all of that money it would not as big of deal to get rid of them. Now we get stuck with a player with a big contract that no teams wnat to deal with. I just feel that we jump the gun on what we offer people and could get them for a lower price. Brunell is another example of over playing a person that we could have picked up for a much lower price and he may have been gone after his first year if we were not stuck with that big contract.

[70Chip]

Cerrato has power inside the Redskins because he has proximity to Snyder. He has no power independently and yes, he mainly exists so Snyder will have someone to yell at, but we can't assume that his opinions do not greatly affect Snyder's thinking. Now, Snyder ceded most of the power to Gibbs, but I think he still weighs in. So Cerrato has limited influence indirectly, IMO.

I think the problems with the front office are more fundamental. The Redskins have pro scouts whose job is to evaluate FA just like there are college scouts for the draft and UDFA. Why no one has been fired over the A.A. debacle is beyond me. We need some new scouts.

[skinsfan69]

I think the problem is that the FO thinks this team is a playoff team and can win now. If they think that is the case then bring Springs back. But looking at the division we are probably looking at 3rd or 4th place. I say let him go and get going on rebuilding.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think the problem is that the FO thinks this team is a playoff team and can win now. If they think that is the case then bring Springs back. But looking at the division we are probably looking at 3rd or 4th place. I say let him go and get going on rebuilding.

Yeah, thats the conundrum were facing right now. To quote Lovie Smith, "Theres perception, and then theres reality". But we dont know for sure which side is which. On one hand you have a team that was coming off a legitmate 10-6 season in 2005, and may very well be that good of a team for us again in 2007. On the other hand, you have a team that played very poorly for most of this season. Maybe they are way worse (older, less talented, lacking identity) than the 2005 team. The key is to find out whether or not the defense had an abberation this year (such as the 2005 Ravens did). If they did, maybe it can return to form this year. If not and there are really deep issues, time to start the rebuilding process before its too late.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I think it's the 2005 Ravens. We were missing Springs most of the season. We were WAY off on Archuleta. Both of those things were just two guys but HUGE.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I think it's the 2005 Ravens. We were missing Springs most of the season. We were WAY off on Archuleta. Both of those things were just two guys but HUGE.

If we believe it to be an abberation, is it also reasonable to assume that some problems can be fixed schematicially by Grilliams?

More aggressive corner play would help I think...

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I think that would help too. At least GW realized it was a lot of the system as well. He said he's totally tearing down the defense like he did in 2004 when he first came in and creating brand new packages.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I think that would help too. At least GW realized it was a lot of the system as well. He said he's totally tearing down the defense like he did in 2004 when he first came in and creating brand new packages.

Well, if he's really a mad genius, he can make it work.

He's taking the right course of action, but this has to work for this team to win.

[Hog1]

Super Bowl Bound!!!!!!!!! Yea Gw

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yeah, thats the conundrum were facing right now. To quote Lovie Smith, "Theres perception, and then theres reality". But we dont know for sure which side is which. On one hand you have a team that was coming off a legitmate 10-6 season in 2005, and may very well be that good of a team for us again in 2007. On the other hand, you have a team that played very poorly for most of this season. Maybe they are way worse (older, less talented, lacking identity) than the 2005 team. The key is to find out whether or not the defense had an abberation this year (such as the 2005 Ravens did). If they did, maybe it can return to form this year. If not and there are really deep issues, time to start the rebuilding process before its too late.

The 2005 Ravens were missing Ed Reed, Ray Lewis and one more starter. And they were still a top 10 defense. The probelm was the offense kept putting them back out on the field. 05 Ravens defense did not have people running for 200 yards. There is no comparison between the two. Look at the Bears this year. They lost Tommie Harris and Mike Brown and still made the SB. Is Shawn Springs that frickin good? No way. We need help on the line, LB's and secondary. Looks like a major overhaul to me. I think that's the reality.