Why the hate towards Fassel?

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

Just to play Devils advocate, why is it that none of the other teams that needed a coach or a cordinator interviewed them?

Mabye they did and I didnt hear about it. But from what ive read we are the only ones that want either guy. Does the rest of the league know somethign we dont?

The redskins are the only team looking at retreads these days...the in thing in the league now is hiring young position coaches or coordinators.

[birdz4gibbs]

i,m with whoever synder picks cause he could careless what i think anyways.
either one aint all that bad to me....

it,s a wait and see ...

[SmootSmack]

Because when we lose after week 3 next year to fall to 2-1 and people want to fire the coach, "Screw the Mooch" sounds better than "Bury the Fossil"

Seriously though, I think it's just that there is a perception (right or wrong) that Mariucci is a nicer guy who can more easily mend fences.

I think they're both good candidates (much better choice than Carroll) and all they really have to do is support Zorn and leave Blache to do his thing.

[BaltimoreSkins]

My only concern with Fassel is that he has never had back to back winning seasons, while having pretty good teams with the Giants. If he is the new HC I hope he ends that streak in his first two seasons

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just curious why people are so strongly against bringing in Fassel, yet are pro Mariucci. Just wondering what the big difference is? Is it just because Mooch is on TV and is a likable guy?

As of 4:15 NFL Live's John Clayton says that Fassel will be the next head coach of the Skins.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Giantone

As of 4:15 NFL Live's John Clayton says that Fassel will be the next head coach of the Skins.

If thats the case (as much as i don't like JF) let's get this thing over with. I'm tired of talking about it and being P***** at the way this thing has been handled. I'm ready to be a fan again.

[Longtimefan]

I harbor no hate toward Fassel or any other prospective candidate for HC, and as I've stated before I will continue to support the team and the coach regardless of the selection.

However, I am biased towards hiring rival coaches, we all remember what happened the last time we went that route. The memory of Fassel is still fresh in my mind of being on the Giants sideline trying to beat the Redskins anyway he knew how. His last year with the G-Men is the one that sticks out in my mind because it was plain to see he had completely lost that team.

I have never been in favor of continuing to hire coaches that have been fired repeatedly from other teams. Welcome to the real world....When you or I get fired from a job, sometimes it becomes difficult for us to get another. NFL coaches just seem to get hired to get fired. If you've proven on more than one ocasion, with more than one team that you can't get the job done, then I have reservations.

[skinsnut]

At the time it seemed the Skins were hiring Fassel and flushing away the stable Gibbs coaching structure....it was really a Williams vs. outsider deal....and the outsider was Fassel.....I think if it was Mooch at the time the reaction would have been strong too because it included ditching Williams and Saunders and starting over.

The outrage was about dissing Gibbs, stability, common sense and patience.
None of us thought GW was stellar but stability counts for a couple wins a year.

Now that what is done is done, and we have to start all over, especially on offense....it comes down to who is the best coach...and that is a close call.
There aint nobody like Gibbs out there.....other coaches out there with playoff experience includes Shottenheimer and these 2.

People dont like Giants, Eagles and Cowboys....can you blame them?
Remember Turner?

The options aren't that great...thats why so many wanted the heir apparant to get the gig.

Lets ask this question....which coach would you be more afraid of in the playoffs....
Mooch or Fassel?

I say flip a coin....but Mooch is way more likeable and would represent a change in offensive philosophy that could benefit Campbell the most.

[Drift Reality]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Just curious why people are so strongly against bringing in Fassel, yet are pro Mariucci. Just wondering what the big difference is? Is it just because Mooch is on TV and is a likable guy?

I don't like the idea that it was agreed that his team quit on him. At the end of his tenure, his team was undisciplined and disorganized. They brought in a "football guy" in Coughlin and he turned the franchise around in a few years.

So we are saying we want the guy who couldn't get it done in New York to come down to Washington? Do we want to relive the Spurrier years?

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Drift Reality

I don't like the idea that it was agreed that his team quit on him. At the end of his tenure, his team was undisciplined and disorganized. They brought in a "football guy" in Coughlin and he turned the franchise around in a few years.

So we are saying we want the guy who couldn't get it done in New York to come down to Washington? Do we want to relive the Spurrier years?

If you replace "Coughlin" with "Marinelli" then you are talking about Steve Mariucci. Just saying ...

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

If you replace "Coughlin" with "Marinelli" then you are talking about Steve Mariucci. Just saying ...

Marinelli hasn't fixed the Lions yet, especially after how they ended last season. Most likely they're going to be pretty crappy next year.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Why does everyone seem to think that past success (or failure) will translate the same with TOTALLY different personnel, political climate and fan base?!

[Drift Reality]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Why does everyone seem to think that past success (or failure) will translate the same with TOTALLY different personnel, political climate and fan base?!

I think in large, a coach is responsible for the personnel and political climate. Those are things that he and the general manager (the Boy in this case) must manage.

Sure, there are definitely cases where a different environment can spawn radically different results (see Belichick) - but I think one question you always have to ask, is did the team quit on the coach, and why?

Fassel's team quit on him, plain and simple. He didn't have any sense of discipline nor did he create a sense of accountability in his team (both are things I believe Williams would have done with the Redskins).

[MTK]

Let's consider the team that quit on Fassel. For years now the Giants roster has been full of prima donnas more interested in their celebrity and their egos (Tiki). Their locker room has always been on the verge of revolt.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Let's consider the team that quit on Fassel. For years now the Giants roster has been full of prima donnas more interested in their celebrity and their egos (Tiki). Their locker room has always been on the verge of revolt.

Good point.. They were ready to revolt and run Coughlin out of town..

BTW, in Michael Strahan's book he tells the story of after Fassel told the team he was going to be fired and was still going to coach the rest of the season the team played it's heart out for him. He said things go one way or the other, either the team mails it in or they play hard out of respect for the coach. They chose the latter because of the respect they had for him.

In addition, at their last team meeting the players presented him with a video of the greatest moments in his coaching career there with personal thank yous/goodbye's on the video. At the end of the video there wasn't a dry eye in the house. That doesn't sound like a team that quit on him to me.