Dan Snyder losing respectability?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I believe I heard Mora was offerred the job? and chose not to take it. It could have certainly been because he wanted to stay in Seattle giving the fact he will be coach next year. Spags wouldn't have been able to get his people, which I think was a huge factor in him resigning with NY. with Cowher, I truly believe he wasn't taking the job because of the front office structure and fact he wouldn't have control of personel or his staff. Money always talks, his hiatus would be only temporary if Danny offerred enough money.

I don't think there was ever any concrete evidence of Mora Jr. being offered the job. Just rumors and speculation.

Spags came into a similar situation in NY, he came in as the DC with his assistants already in place and it wasn't an issue for him then.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't think there was ever any concrete evidence of Mora Jr. being offered the job. Just rumors and speculation.

Spags came into a similar situation in NY, he came in as the DC with his assistants already in place and it wasn't an issue for him then.

I wasn't real sure about the Mora thing, just hear say. with spags though, this is a different situation. Being brought in as a DC working with people there, and being the head guy working with current staff is a bit different. He didn't have really any say in who was in NY, but being the head guy, he should want / does want control over who he brings in. All in all, I am glad neither of those guys are in the mix anymore anyway.

At this point, I just want it over and done with. this is just getting old.

[Oakland Red]

Prisco's Points - CBSSports.com

From CBS Sportsline commentator Pete Prisco:

When does a coordinator job become more valuable than a head-coaching position?


When Dan Snyder is the guy with the top job.


Although there is no official word on whether the Washington Redskins job was offered to New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, he is staying put in New York. Spagnuolo will get a new three-year deal from the Giants, one that reports say will pay him over $3 million a season.


Even with the raise, why turn down a possible chance to be a head coach?
Why? How about a meddling owner? How about assuming two coordinators who are already there? How about a personnel chief who is Snyder's shadow?


So why take the job?


I'm a big believer in the value of NFL head-coaching jobs. There are only 32 of them, and you never know when the shine will come off your career. So if you can, I usually say take the job.


In this case, Spagnuolo probably made the right decision. If he's really being paid near $3 million a season, the Giants might be going to $6 million a season for Tom Coughlin's extension, which is coming.

[vavajan]

ABSOLUTELY, the only person he should hire now and bring back some luster of burgandy and gold is RUSS GRIMM

[redsk1]

I believe the skins have had the most # of head coaches in the NFL since DS took over in 99.

I respect everyone's opinion but the way that we do things in the FO, has to be a factor in the head coaches that would be interested in this position. Think about it. HC's don't want to be dictated to. They want to do things their way for the most part. They want to bring their guys in, who they are comfortable with. They don't want to be told who is going to be on their staff. What happens on a team w/ a new hc? They get rid of 90% of the old staff.

Who knows whether we offered the job to Spags or Mora, but regardless they both chose to pull out of consideration. Others aren't going to come here b/c of what i mentioned above. I'm not necessarily for giving a HC 100% control, but I do believe they should have control over their staff.

I don't think the season is over and i'm going to be a fan of whoever they hire. However that doesn't mean I have to agree w/ the way DS and VC do things as it's a little f'd up.

[redsk1]

One thing that looks really bad on the skins are the reports that somehow come out about a couple candidates.

Spags: He wasn't ready for a HC position yet. Per his agent not true.

GW: He said disparaging comments about JG's. Not true.

Now we don't have proof who the sources were the leaked these smear tactics but the new skins front office has been known in the past for these types of things.

So whether they've come from the FO or not we don't know, but it looks bad all the same.

[Twilbert07]

With Gibbs gone, Snyder is regaining his reputation and a terrible, meddling owner. I'm not too concerned about what others in the NFL think, but I am worried how this coaching search has become such a mess (and that Vinny C. remains in the front office).

[That Guy]

SS - why is the FO structure stupid -


-danny wants a coach that will basically march to his beat and not complain about it (GW wanted to keep saunders, wanted some say on personnel, so he's gone, mora wanted knapp, and knew it wouldn't happen here).

-everyone wanted stability, so the first thing that happens is firing the head of our offense and defense and an attempt to change to a WCO and a 3-4 D... WTF??? granted our offense wasn't amazing, but it's hard to believe lds's rants on stability after that flash of what he really wanted to do. (though he did originally want to keep GW as the DC, it was beyond stupid to think that'd ever happen).

those are the two real issues. by feeling the need to dictate conditions to your coach to the degree that's been seen here, i'm not sure any grade A candidate would ever choose the skins and the best option.

also last year was vinny's first good year (FA/draft combined - no wasted money on archuletta, lloyd, etc) - but GW/saunders/gibbs had say. so as the head guy, this is his first real shot solo to not screw things up. there's really no clear track record, and you're not really sure if some things were based on danny's views (drafting ramsey, not trading ramsey for AO straight up, bad signings with huge contracts, etc).

more of a concern than an issue, but i actually think we'll do alright on the FA/draft thing. WR FAs and draftable DL guys are strengths this year, and that's what we need.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

SS - why is the FO structure stupid -


-danny wants a coach that will basically march to his beat and not complain about it (GW wanted to keep saunders, wanted some say on personnel, so he's gone, mora wanted knapp, and knew it wouldn't happen here).

-everyone wanted stability, so the first thing that happens is firing the head of our offense and defense and an attempt to change to a WCO and a 3-4 D... WTF??? granted our offense wasn't amazing, but it's hard to believe lds's rants on stability after that flash of what he really wanted to do. (though he did originally want to keep GW as the DC, it was beyond stupid to think that'd ever happen).

those are the two real issues. by feeling the need to dictate conditions to your coach to the degree that's been seen here, i'm not sure any grade A candidate would ever choose the skins and the best option.

also last year was vinny's first good year (FA/draft combined - no wasted money on archuletta, lloyd, etc) - but GW/saunders/gibbs had say. so as the head guy, this is his first real shot solo to not screw things up. there's really no clear track record, and you're not really sure if some things were based on danny's views (drafting ramsey, not trading ramsey for AO straight up, bad signings with huge contracts, etc).

more of a concern than an issue, but i actually think we'll do alright on the FA/draft thing. WR FAs and draftable DL guys are strengths this year, and that's what we need.

Different, but I don't know about stupid

Some clarifications though:

-Williams wanted all control. By the way two of the last three coaches had complete control and the other got an open checkbook and could have had it if he wanted it.

-The part about DS wanted Williams to stay as DC, turns out that wasn't true

I think people assume that because Ryan ran a 3-4 in Baltimore he would do the same here. Not necessarily true. Ryan is a disciple of the 46 (just like his dad, just like williams), he likely would have run a 4-3 here.

The WCO is certainly a change and it remains to be seen how that will play out. Besides, as I've said in another thread "stability" should not be pigeonholed to just Williams and Saunders

But, as LTF says, this is just beating a dead horse. Let's just wait for the results. Wake me up when September ends

[celts32]

Not losing respectability...lost it. Right or wrong the public image of the Redskins has plummeted since the day Joe Gibbs resigned.

[skinsfan69]

He's totally lost all respectability IMO. This whole thing is a big mess and no coach with a spine is going to coach here. Imagine Joe Gibbs working with an owner who hires HIS assistants for him. Yeah right!! I think I've said this before but Snyder has no ability to feel the pulse of his own team. He totally fails 100% in carrying over the momentum from last year. An example of that is the qb situtation. I think eveyone here feels comfortable with JC as #1 going in with Collins #2 and bring back Al. We're real solid at Qb with that set-up. Right? Now we're probably going to lose Collins, change the offense AGAIN, the OC is gone which is going to mean a new back-up QB. Sorry but that's just not good smart ownership. It seems to me Snyder is more worried about getting along with his HC rather than doing what's best for the team. What if JC goes down again? Who is his backup and can he play at the level Collins did?

I think well be Ok on defense but the offense could be real messy.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He's totally lost all respectability IMO. This whole thing is a big mess and no coach with a spine is going to coach here. Imagine Joe Gibbs working with an owner who hires HIS assistants for him. Yeah right!! I think I've said this before but Snyder has no ability to feel the pulse of his own team. He totally fails 100% in carrying over the momentum from last year. An example of that is the qb situtation. I think eveyone here feels comfortable with JC as #1 going in with Collins #2 and bring back Al. We're real solid at Qb with that set-up. Right? Now we're probably going to lose Collins, change the offense AGAIN, the OC is gone which is going to mean a new back-up QB. Sorry but that's just not good smart ownership. It seems to me Snyder is more worried about getting along with his HC rather than doing what's best for the team. What if JC goes down again? Who is his backup and can he play at the level Collins did?

I think well be Ok on defense but the offense could be real messy.

Yea this offense was really lighting things up.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Yea this offense was really lighting things up.

But why change everything on JC again? Putting a young QB in his 3rd offense in 4 years is just a REALLY REALLY stupid thing to do. Don't you think? Putting any Qb in this situation is stupid. And if he really wanted to get rid of Al then fine. But why not bring in someone who runs the same offense? Cam Cameron was out there before Balt. got him. Snyder just does some dumb shit.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

But why change everything on JC again? Putting a young QB in his 3rd offense in 4 years is just a REALLY REALLY stupid thing to do. Don't you think? Putting any Qb in this situation is stupid. And if he really wanted to get rid of Al then fine. But why not bring in someone who runs the same offense? Cam Cameron was out there before Balt. got him. Snyder just does some dumb shit.

Or you could say keeping him in an offense that he's not exceeding in could also be seen as really really stupid.

Even if GW got the job he was going to make Saunders simplify things. That seems to tell me things weren't going all that well.

JC had his best season in college playing in a WC system. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Snyder and co. looked for JC's input when they went out and got Zorn.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Or you could say keeping him in an offense that he's not exceeding in could also be seen as really really stupid.

Even if GW got the job he was going to make Saunders simplify things. That seems to tell me things weren't going all that well.

JC had his best season in college playing in a WC system. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Snyder and co. looked for JC's input when they went out and got Zorn.

It has been reported that Snyder was not satisfied with the way the offense was going, so it stands to reason when Gibbs left, the offense was going to take a different direction.

JC will probably excell in the WCO, a system he's not unfamiliar with, the only difference being the speed in which the plays are executed, and the speed of the defensive reaction. I'm content to see how thing are going to work out as opposed to dwelling on negative presumption. The answer to all the negatives will play out on the field.