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CRT3 · 08-28-2004, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Jebus: I thought that strip may have cost him the tackle on an experienced back. I also disagree anyone would make that pick. He had to gain a lot of ground to get there on time, and the lateral though not accurate was the right idea. 20 seconds left in the half a TD there would have put them back into the game.

Daseal once again you have restored my faith with your lack of football knowledge. The interception was great, I think everyone would agree that his make up speed tp cover the opposite side of the field is amazing especially considerring he looks like a linebacker. But saying the lateral was the correct thing to do as there was only 20 seconds left in the half. Wow that is totaly wrong. HE pitched back from the 15 yard line, does saftey or a touchedown come to your thoguhts. Ill advised play and clearly a rookie mistake. If the Redskins were thinking of trying to score with 20 seconds do you rember what the next play after the interception was? KNEEL DOWN PLAY. Wake up dude!!!

Daseal · 08-28-2004, 10:32 PM

CRT3: It was obvious if they didn't gain field position from that interception that it would be a kneel down give up play. I understand the dangers involved with the lateral, but with 20 seconds left in a losing pre-season bought why not try to change morale to your team?

When he tossed the ball I cringed, but you said yourself in your post that: "If the Redskins were thinking of trying to score with 20 seconds" They obviously have no shot at a score from the 15 yard line. However your own 40-45 yard line you can complete one solid pass, take a time out, and get 3 points out of the ordeal. I don't have game footage in front of me, but if I remember correctly there were very few St. Louis players around the other defensive player, and had the pass been slightly more accurate we might be calling that the turning point in the game. What I'm saying in the long run is I don't think it mattered that much. It could have been a great play for them, it could have turned into nothing, but like with every play there's a slight chance it could have turned around. Wouldn't have been any worse than what would have happened if we had Bowen or Lott in instead of Taylor.

Daseal · 08-29-2004, 12:23 AM

I think the staff loves Rock's heart and may keep him around.

That Guy · 08-29-2004, 10:28 AM

everyone knows betts is a better back, but HE DOESN'T PLAY, that's been the big kicker thus far... wasn't holt in into the 3rd quarter? jeez.

illdefined · 08-29-2004, 10:44 AM

"holding back" on the pass rush? you kidding? we blitzed aLOT. and Bulger was only sacked once. what about the time we sent 9 guys at him. no one got there the whole game. the Rams devastated Oline easily kept our Dline at bay, and Griffin was playing.

Hogskin · 08-29-2004, 10:53 AM

I agree, ILL, and we still have a STRONG need for a quality pass-rusher at DE.

hurrykaine · 08-29-2004, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

"holding back" on the pass rush? you kidding? we blitzed aLOT. and Bulger was only sacked once. what about the time we sent 9 guys at him. no one got there the whole game. the Rams devastated Oline easily kept our Dline at bay, and Griffin was playing.

That was on a 3rd down and goal. I'm talking about holding back on 1st and 2nd downs, as I stated earlier. As for no one getting there the whole game, that's not true - when our starting DEs were on the field, Wynn had a sack for a 5yd loss on Bulger. I didn't see Marcus Washington playing end like in the Miami game - which is why I thought they were indeed holding back.

Dana87 · 08-29-2004, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

Griffin was playing.

He only played in the 1st quarter. As I remeber the game I belive they didn't score a TD until midway through the 2nd quarter. Things didn't get ugly until alot of the 1st team was on the sidelines and we had starters placed throughout the Defense.

illdefined · 08-29-2004, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dana87

He only played in the 1st quarter. As I remeber the game I belive they didn't score a TD until midway through the 2nd quarter. Things didn't get ugly until alot of the 1st team was on the sidelines and we had starters placed throughout the Defense.

i remember seeing Griffin into the second quarter. and the Rams offensive line is supposed to be a shambles. sure hope Griffin steps up and that Daniels can add alot when he finally comes.

hurrykaine · 08-29-2004, 02:04 PM

Before I get lynched by people critical of our pass rush (or lack thereof), let me clarify one thing - the reason I think they held back on the 1st and 2nd down pass rush is the following:

I think the coaching staff has a good idea of who can play on the D-line and at Linebacker from training camp and the first 3 preseason games. However, in the secondary, they don't know enough (besides taylor, springs and smoot) in terms of who can really make plays and who can't. Hence, they needed to be severely tested, and what better testing ground for the secondary than against the Rams.

illdefined · 08-29-2004, 02:27 PM

i expressly mentioned that one sack we got. and Washington is a LB, and thus not part of the Dline. the front four got no penetration by itself vs that weak Oline, as there was next to no pressure on Bulger and no running plays broken up in the backfield.

Williams held back his advanced blitzes sure (note that a blitz by definition means someone OTHER than the Dline) but there's no way Williams told the DLine to 'go half ass' on the guy in front of them. schemes and stunts aside, our guys got pushed around man for man.

Gmanc711 · 08-29-2004, 02:33 PM

Hasslebeck dosent sucks. I'd take him over every thrid stringer in the leauge, and alot of the second stringers. Hes not better than Brunell or Ramsey, but hes a good qb. He may be doing it against scrubs this year, but he did it against some good players last season. Hes not great, but he surley dosent suck.

Big C · 08-29-2004, 02:55 PM

you are right he doesnt suck, but he is really inconsistent. hell have a good game, but makes too many stupid throws. def. a spectacular 3rd stringer tho.

Daseal · 08-29-2004, 03:19 PM

I think maybe we should send Hasselbeck to Europe and let him get in a rhythm.

SUNRA · 08-29-2004, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I think maybe we should send Hasselbeck to Europe and let him get in a rhythm.

We already sent Hamdan to Europe. Hasselbeck definitely stays and learns Gibb's system to the T. He develops on the sidelines watching Brunell and if Ramsey can get his head out of his ass he might become a leader of this team and not just a player with a lot of talent.

08-29-2004, 10:53 AM	#6
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Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 39 Posts: 4,453	you are right he doesnt suck, but he is really inconsistent. hell have a good game, but makes too many stupid throws. def. a spectacular 3rd stringer tho. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

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08-28-2004, 10:32 PM	#2
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	CRT3: It was obvious if they didn't gain field position from that interception that it would be a kneel down give up play. I understand the dangers involved with the lateral, but with 20 seconds left in a losing pre-season bought why not try to change morale to your team? When he tossed the ball I cringed, but you said yourself in your post that: "If the Redskins were thinking of trying to score with 20 seconds" They obviously have no shot at a score from the 15 yard line. However your own 40-45 yard line you can complete one solid pass, take a time out, and get 3 points out of the ordeal. I don't have game footage in front of me, but if I remember correctly there were very few St. Louis players around the other defensive player, and had the pass been slightly more accurate we might be calling that the turning point in the game. What I'm saying in the long run is I don't think it mattered that much. It could have been a great play for them, it could have turned into nothing, but like with every play there's a slight chance it could have turned around. Wouldn't have been any worse than what would have happened if we had Bowen or Lott in instead of Taylor.

08-29-2004, 12:23 AM	#3
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	I think the staff loves Rock's heart and may keep him around.

08-29-2004, 10:28 AM	#4
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,620	everyone knows betts is a better back, but HE DOESN'T PLAY, that's been the big kicker thus far... wasn't holt in into the 3rd quarter? jeez.

08-29-2004, 10:44 AM	#5
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 49 Posts: 2,631	"holding back" on the pass rush? you kidding? we blitzed aLOT. and Bulger was only sacked once. what about the time we sent 9 guys at him. no one got there the whole game. the Rams devastated Oline easily kept our Dline at bay, and Griffin was playing.

08-29-2004, 02:04 PM	#10
hurrykaine Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 52 Posts: 762	Before I get lynched by people critical of our pass rush (or lack thereof), let me clarify one thing - the reason I think they held back on the 1st and 2nd down pass rush is the following: I think the coaching staff has a good idea of who can play on the D-line and at Linebacker from training camp and the first 3 preseason games. However, in the secondary, they don't know enough (besides taylor, springs and smoot) in terms of who can really make plays and who can't. Hence, they needed to be severely tested, and what better testing ground for the secondary than against the Rams.

08-29-2004, 02:27 PM	#11
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 49 Posts: 2,631	i expressly mentioned that one sack we got. and Washington is a LB, and thus not part of the Dline. the front four got no penetration by itself vs that weak Oline, as there was next to no pressure on Bulger and no running plays broken up in the backfield. Williams held back his advanced blitzes sure (note that a blitz by definition means someone OTHER than the Dline) but there's no way Williams told the DLine to 'go half ass' on the guy in front of them. schemes and stunts aside, our guys got pushed around man for man.

08-29-2004, 02:33 PM	#12
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Hasslebeck dosent sucks. I'd take him over every thrid stringer in the leauge, and alot of the second stringers. Hes not better than Brunell or Ramsey, but hes a good qb. He may be doing it against scrubs this year, but he did it against some good players last season. Hes not great, but he surley dosent suck.

08-29-2004, 03:19 PM	#14
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	I think maybe we should send Hasselbeck to Europe and let him get in a rhythm.

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