Isn't Cornerback as Big a Need as OL?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

I always read on this site about next year's QB and line needing to be worked out... which I agree with... Our offensive line is a MAJOR need...

but...

Isn't cornerback going to be just as big a need to address as OL in the offseason??

If Rogers goes, which he very likely will, we will have D Hall and who else?? Tryon?? Smoot?? Westbrook?? Those 3 aren't good enough to be trusted to play nickel, much less 2nd starter.

We need TWO corners who are step ups from those 3 for sure.

I'm thinking the team COULD surprise everyone and go with a guy like CB Joe Hayden out of Florida with the first pick in the draft and draft linemen with the rest. (I mean no one knows).

I'd rather get a corner through FA and draft line, line, line... but the point is we HAVE TO HAVE a starting CB in 2010 opposite D. Hall....

and I'm sure Bruce Allen knows this after he took copious notes on our pass defense (or lack-thereof) against the G-Men.

EDIT: I left out Kevin Barnes ... but considering he hasn't seen the field this year over Smoot or Tryon... ummm ... I have no clue what he can contribute

Sure. Why not just replace the whole O-line with matadors? Better yet, instead of uniforms we could give them door mats to wear. Wearing the negative six (-06) door mat, stephanie heyer. BOOOOOOO!

[KLHJ2]

Tripp, I know that you watch the games more than once as do I. Even in the games that they get burned on double moves they make outstanding plays in the secondary in other parts of the game. Sometimes when you make big plays it also makes you vulnerable to big plays and I think that is the problem that everyone is having. To say that they have only played well in a couple of games goes beyond stretching the truth.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Angry

Tripp, I know that you watch the games more than once as do I. Even in the games that they get burned on double moves they make outstanding plays in the secondary in other parts of the game. Sometimes when you make big plays it also makes you vulnerable to big plays and I think that is the problem that everyone is having. To say that they have only played well in a couple of games goes beyond stretching the truth.

It's impossible to separate how much of the preparation for the game is Gray/Blache, and how much is just Rogers and Hall and Landry not being physical with the receivers. I'm not trying to do that.

I'm saying this group is a very reactive bunch. They never look like they have any idea what they are running. And it has an adverse effect on the outcome of plays. I'm not disagreeing with you that there's no talent here, or that they aren't underachieving to an extent.

But in Blache's defense (and Gray's), scheming for Rogers/Smoot and Hall runs into the same problem that the Raiders did when they were trying to scheme for Asomugha and Hall. Rogers may not be a great player, but he did have a great season in 2008, and a great half season in 2007. When Hall was getting absolutely smoked in Oakland, he was doing so because of man coverage scheme and reactive zones that were playing to the strengths of the Oakland secondary...because it allows Nnamdi to take away a side of the field. Hall was a fish out of water there. And, frankly, we were running the exact same scheme.

We're not running the same scheme at all this year. Everything we've done since the bye week has been cover two, cover three, quarters, quarter-half, stuff that makes Hall comfortable because he doesn't have underneath coverage responsibility. And we've taken our best defensive player in the secondary, and have completely marginalized him. We've taken Landry, and have exposed him to primary zone coverage responsiblities and restricted him. And worse of all, we've taken Smoot, and given him something to think about out there.

The film sees a complete disaster. I think there's more to it that that, but there needs to be some sort of tear down before we can rebuild. If Hall is going to be the centerpiece, then fine, get rid of everyone else. Get rid of Landry, of Rogers, of Moore, of McIntosh, of Fletcher and draft zone coverage players. We need a new scheme, and a new page, but there also has to be a talent shift.

[ChickenMonkey]

Cb is a big need as well probably 3rd or 4th on the list for this team

LT, RT,QB,FS,CB,,RB,OG, OLB...In that order only because running backs can be found in the later rounds

[warriorzpath]

I think the redskins defense, including the defensive backs, have played pretty good this year -- even though they just got destroyed by the giants.

I think everyone is overreacting just a little because the redskins were embarrassed on Monday night. The problem with the whole entire redskins defense , including the coaches, is that they don't adjust very well when things aren't going well -- so everything just snowballs and they keep making the same mistakes over and over. So they have played pretty good when they gameplan well, but when that plan doesn't work they don't have a plan B and the opposing offense can take advantage of those weaknesses the whole game. I guess you can say the same thing about the redskins offensive gameplanning and adjustments this season; the difference being -- the offense for the beginning of the season didn't really bring a good gameplan coming in.

[KI Skins Fan]

No other need is nearly as great as the need for offensive linemen. Our OL is an unmitigated disaster area and there is no way we can compete for a playoff spot in 2010 unless it is addressed via Free Agency and the Draft during the offseason. Honestly, there isn't a single OL on our roster who I would miss if he were to be replaced.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

No other need is nearly as great as the need for offensive linemen. Our OL is an unmitigated disaster area and there is no way we can compete for a playoff spot in 2010 unless it is addressed via Free Agency and the Draft during the offseason. Honestly, there isn't a single OL on our roster who I would miss if he were to be replaced.

Sadly...I agree.

[budw38]

Wr .... Wr .... Wr ....

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by budw38

Wr .... Wr .... Wr ....

Ahhh the "2nd round" plan almost

[Pocket$ $traight]

HA HA HA

This is a great thread! Welcome to the site, Vinny!

[LandrySlice]

VINNY! The CBs suck pretty bad, but I think that Barnes will end up being good for some reason... just a hunch

[CultBrennan59]

Yes corner is IMO, as equal of importance to our team needs as OL. I think the only corner worthy of us getting in the first round of april is Joe Haden. After that there is really no worthy OLineman for the next few rounds. But look at the Colts, they're 14-0 with an Undrafted Rookie Corner Jacob Lacey starting on one side, and a 3rd round Rookie Corner Jerraud Powers starting on the other side. Now our luck of getting a guy that good in the later rounds isn't that good but who knows. The OLineman coming out this year are great throughout the upcoming draft. We could get a starting LT in maybe the 3rd round, thats how good the depth is.

Back to the corner deal though, Smoot is gone next year for sure, and most likely either Rogers or Tryon are gone aswell. So yes there is an obvious need for corner especially after last game with Eli picking at our secondary constantly, especially all 3 guys I mentioned above. I know I've used this example before but look at the Steelers from last year, Amazing defense, ok offense. The corners on that defense could play what ever coverage you would ask of them, allowing the defense to glue together and play at a consistent level. The offensive line was awful, but did just enough to allow the offense to get a play when it needed it. Defense wins championships. That would be my arguement to get a corner with our first rounder.

[DBUCHANON101]

Simple answer, NO!!

[SBXVII]

At this point the defense is ranked 4th and the offense is ranked close to last. Which is more important?

I think everyone now see's the issue with not having a decent OL or atleast they should. This year should be set up to fix the offense. Next year should be set up to continue with the Offense and tweeking the defense. 3rd year should be all about tweeking whatever needs tweeking. 4th year BPA.....SB somewhere in there.

[GridIron26]

This is actually a good question.. I used to advocate extending Rogers but now I'm not so sure anymore due to stuff going on between Rogers and the FO.. But I still believe the good move would to try resign him; Rogers is better with man to man.. However, Hall plays opposite better.. I forgot who but someone brought up an idea of moving Hall to free safety, which will allows us to move Landry to SS.. SmootSmack believes Barnes would be starting CB next season - this gives us the opportunity to play aggressive defense because we then would have Barnes and Rogers playing man to man..

I remember I read on, perhaps Redskins Insider, Barnes's coach at UMD said that Barnes was only one who could cover Heyward-Bey.. Who has, in general, similar speed as DeSean Jackson..

Would be nice if all this happens; we would have Hall roaming free to be ballhawk.. Landry going inside to disrupt rushing and passing plays, along with Haynesworth, Carter, Orakpo.. I really like the idea of moving Orakpo to DE full time and have Horton take over the position; Horton plays close line scrimmage pretty well - might as well move him to LB..