The Haskins Threat 2.0

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Zampese was a great under the radar hire



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Keim has mentioned this in many outlets. Not only because of his resume, but he could be a long time QB coach for Haskins.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Zampese was a great under the radar hire



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I know he had name recognition and his father was a legend, but man, he has been part of some tremendous offenses and qb's (and then Cleveland ):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Zampese

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I know he had name recognition and his father was a legend, but man, he has been part of some tremendous offenses and qb's (and then Cleveland ):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Zampese

Not saying its a bad hire but the only name that jumped out to me was Carson.

[Chico23231]

The system imo is important for Haskins...if Scott Turner brings his dads offense or a variation of it, I think its a good fit for Haskins.

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[Ohioskins]

People seem to forget, he beat out Joe Burrows fair and square at OSU. And in 2018, Haskins numbers dwarfed Burrows performance. Haskins threw for 50 touchdowns which is unheard at OSU and set virtually every Big Ten passing record. He is a very talented QB, who has a great attitude. Gruden treated him like dog crap and it showed when he was thrown out onto the field with little to no preparation. Haskins' rough start was 100% on Gruden.

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by Ohioskins

People seem to forget, he beat out Joe Burrows fair and square at OSU. And in 2018, Haskins numbers dwarfed Burrows performance. Haskins threw for 50 touchdowns which is unheard at OSU and set virtually every Big Ten passing record. He is a very talented QB, who has a great attitude. Gruden treated him like dog crap and it showed when he was thrown out onto the field with little to no preparation. Haskins' rough start was 100% on Gruden.

I wanted Haskins to start from Game 1 BUT his sitting on pine may have helped him. He got more humble, learned and matured from Alex Smith and learned the play book. He had to fight to improve, when MANY were tossing him under the bus after the first few games. He showed his toughness and grit for playing well hurt and getting better with less than ideal circumstances.

Almost every aspect of the offense will be better for him in 2020, especially with the addition of FA players who will instantly improve certain positions which were crap last year. Namely the return of Scherff, Flowers and Trent. Getting a good to elite TE in FA and the draft. Replacement for Moses. FA or draft pick to challenge Harmon at #2 WR. Finally and MOST important, a change in offensive philosophy with Scott Turner. 60%passes on first down instead of 80% runs. A modern passing attack versus the ridiculous and archaic run offense of Gruden/Callahan. Yeah, our offense will get better. The only thing holding it back will be Haskin’s and Turner’s growth in their positions. They will make mistakes due to their newness in their positions but they are going to get better and better!


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[BigHairedAristocrat]

I think there is close to 0% chance that all 3 of Trent, Scherff, and Flowers come back. In fact, I'd put the odds that none of them come back as being greater than all 3. But i think both scenarios are pretty unlikely. We will most likely resign 1 or maybe 2. And if its two, it won't be both Scherff and Trent.

Personally, I think Flowers would provide us the most bang for our buck.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I think there is close to 0% chance that all 3 of Trent, Scherff, and Flowers come back. In fact, I'd put the odds that none of them come back as being greater than all 3. But i think both scenarios are pretty unlikely. We will most likely resign 1 or maybe 2. And if its two, it won't be both Scherff and Trent.

Personally, I think Flowers would provide us the most bang for our buck.

I agree, two will be back. Flowers and either Trent or Scherff. If I had to bet between all three or none, I would bet all three will be back. I think there is better chance Trent comes back for one year than Scherff getting a long term deal with top money. I can't see them giving Scherff 15 million a year for 5 years. I understand, today's over payment is next years bargain. Plus we have some young talent at his position. We have nothing at tackle. We are short the following: right tackle or swing tackle, corner back, tight end, line backer, back up quarter back, safety, possible a 3rd down back. If we draft well, we may get 2 starters. One of the starters will be at a position that we already have players.

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

I agree, two will be back. Flowers and either Trent or Scherff. If I had to bet between all three or none, I would bet all three will be back. I think there is better chance Trent comes back for one year than Scherff getting a long term deal with top money. I can't see them giving Scherff 15 million a year for 5 years. I understand, today's over payment is next years bargain. Plus we have some young talent at his position. We have nothing at tackle. We are short the following: right tackle or swing tackle, corner back, tight end, line backer, back up quarter back, safety, possible a 3rd down back. If we draft well, we may get 2 starters. One of the starters will be at a position that we already have players.

If Bruce Allen was still in charge, he’d probably let all three go. But there are now adults and NFL-savvy pros making the decisions. Sure Scherff is going to be expensive, but the difference between the Redskins (Allen’s) first offer ($13 mil/yr) and top OG pay is just $2 mill/yr. He’s worth it. He wants to stay and it’s not that much more to keep him.

The key to this year’s off-season will be the dumping/trading of a great deal of dead weight and over-priced FA. Dump or trade Norman, Richardson, Keenum, McCoy, Reed, Davis, Thompson, Moses, Penn, and re-structure or trade Kerrigan. This gets us over $50 mill or more in cap space to hire new FA.

Flowers will be reasonable and he’ll be easily worth the money. Trent just wants guaranteed money and he can be enticed back by RR. Getting Flowers, Trent and Scherff solidifies the OL. Martin can go for Moses spot or for C. The team will draft at least one OT in the draft and another one or two in UDFA. With Kyle Smith’s laser vision we will likely get a starter from the draft or UDFA to replace Moses or go for C. That way we have a balance of costly FA players (Scherff/Williams) and cheap draftees & FA (Flowers/ Martin/ one or two new draftee and/or UDFA).

The thing you’ve got to remember is that Trent and Brandon Scherff are very good to Pro Bowl level talent. Trent has 2-3 good years in his tank. We know what we have with them. You can’t just let that walk and expect to replace them easily at that high level.

My prediction is that the Redskins have 50% chance of signing 2 of the 3 -Flowers, Scherff and Williams and 50% chance of resigning ALL THREE. Let’s see who’s right in the next few months.

Many were super pessimistic over Haskins ( sitting him the whole season, calling him a total bust after a couple games) or firing Bruce (whether he could ever be dumped) or whether Snyder could ever change (giving up power to a HC). Its time to be optimistic- I think we’ll see Flowers resigned, Scherff resigned and possibly Trent brought back.



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[NYCskinfan82]

DH IMO will look really good this upcoming season.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

DH IMO will look really good this upcoming season.

I 100% agree, a full off season as the starter, McLaurin Sims and Harmon developing, the addition of a new TE (or 2), Love, Guice, and Peterson running the ball, and the defense improving will all go towards helping him

[skinsfaninok]

DH got better as the year went. Hopefully he continues in that direction in 2020

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[skinsfaninok]

Better look

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[Warthog]

Game 5 in the NFL Haskins had a 121 QB rating (max 154).

Game 6 in the NFL Haskins went higher and had a 141 QB rating.

This was with a make shift OL, no real TE to speak of, 3 rookie WR ( two of whom are very good to outstanding - McLaurin at WR#1 and Steve Sims at slot WR), and finally the outmoded offensive philosophy of Callahan, who pushed it on KOC.

Next year Haskins will have these new assets:

1.Very good to elite TE from FA
2.Improved OL, resign Flowers, resign Sherff and/or Trent Williams, new OL from draft, UDFA and FA. Moses probably gone.
3. Maybe new WR from draft (third or fourth round) or FA. Compete with Harmon for WR#2 spot
4. Better play calling from Scott Turner. More passing on first and second down and more imagination in play calling. Double the number of long pass attempts per game.
5. He’ll be better because he’ll get a lot MORE reps in practice, from the get go, and obviously more reps with the first squad.

Haskins will still be up and down, and he’ll make some mistakes, but for all the reasons above he’s going to be much better.



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[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Warthog

Game 5 in the NFL Haskins had a 121 QB rating (max 154).

Game 6 in the NFL Haskins went higher and had a 141 QB rating.

This was with a make shift OL, no real TE to speak of, 3 rookie WR ( two of whom are very good to outstanding - McLaurin at WR#1 and Steve Sims at slot WR), and finally the outmoded offensive philosophy of Callahan, who pushed it on KOC.

Next year Haskins will have these new assets:

1.Very good to elite TE from FA
2.Improved OL, resign Flowers, resign Sherff and/or Trent Williams, new OL from draft, UDFA and FA. Moses probably gone.
3. Maybe new WR from draft (third or fourth round) or FA. Compete with Harmon for WR#2 spot
4. Better play calling from Scott Turner. More passing on first and second down and more imagination in play calling. Double the number of long pass attempts per game.
5. He’ll be better because he’ll get a lot MORE reps in practice, from the get go, and obviously more reps with the first squad.

Haskins will still be up and down, and he’ll make some mistakes, but for all the reasons above he’s going to be much better.

All free agent TEs are good, not very good nor elite. In my opinion, only Kittle, Kelce and Ertz are in the elite category. I agree with all other points, although Turner is unknown at this point so I'm in wait and see mode with Turner. From what I have read about Turner, it seems like he did well with Newton so I'm excited to see what Turner will bring to the table.