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[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

On the Chargers, theirs was a very unique situation because they held the #1 overall pick. True, at that point Brees hadn't shown that he was ready to be considered the franchise QB, and hence the Chargers considered a QB with their first overall pick. They didn't have much faith in Brees, which is exactly why they were ready to hand Eli Manning a first overall pick's contract. That of course didn't work out because Eli didn't want to be a Charger, but if the Chargers had their druthers, Manning would be in San Diego, and the Chargers would have laid down a huge signing bonus.

We all love to point to the draft picks that Gibbs gave up to get Campbell, but we all seem to forget that since Campbell was taken late in the first round, he'll be making chump change. When Ramsey was taken with pick 32, that netted him a contract of less than $1.2 million per year. Figure some inflation on Campbell, and we're talking less than $2 million a year on our salary cap for the next 5 years or so. So yes, Gibbs gave up a lot in the way of draft picks, but I still say the investment was much less than what the Chargers wanted to invest in Manning, or what they ended up investing in Rivers for that matter.

The Chargers situation is much different from ours. We gave up a shot at some players next year by trading the 1st and 4th round picks, which is a lot, that's for sure. But it's not as big a deal as the Chargers' situation. They have two QBs who are going to be making a ton of money. Once we get Brunell off the books, we're going to have two who aren't making much at all. (Unless Ramsey explodes, he'll get a modest contract two years from now or he'll leave). That leaves us with more cap room for other things, which helps us deal with the loss of the draft picks.

I don't think you can point to the drafting of a 2nd QB and automatically say it is a misallocation of resources unless you consider the finances. When the salary is that low, there is no pressure to bring Campbell along that quickly. You can let Ramsey keep his starting job and let Campbell learn, because your QBs aren't monopolizing your cap space.

I agree on most of your post, my point wasn't a dollar for dollar comparison, it was just comparing situations of having a young QB and then having to draft another young QB and the potential costs (in dollars for the Chargers and picks for the Redskins) if the original QB performs..

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

On the Chargers, theirs was a very unique situation because they held the #1 overall pick. True, at that point Brees hadn't shown that he was ready to be considered the franchise QB, and hence the Chargers considered a QB with their first overall pick. They didn't have much faith in Brees, which is exactly why they were ready to hand Eli Manning a first overall pick's contract. That of course didn't work out because Eli didn't want to be a Charger, but if the Chargers had their druthers, Manning would be in San Diego, and the Chargers would have laid down a huge signing bonus.

We all love to point to the draft picks that Gibbs gave up to get Campbell, but we all seem to forget that since Campbell was taken late in the first round, he'll be making chump change. When Ramsey was taken with pick 32, that netted him a contract of less than $1.2 million per year. Figure some inflation on Campbell, and we're talking less than $2 million a year on our salary cap for the next 5 years or so. So yes, Gibbs gave up a lot in the way of draft picks, but I still say the investment was much less than what the Chargers wanted to invest in Manning, or what they ended up investing in Rivers for that matter.

The Chargers situation is much different from ours. We gave up a shot at some players next year by trading the 1st and 4th round picks, which is a lot, that's for sure. But it's not as big a deal as the Chargers' situation. They have two QBs who are going to be making a ton of money. Once we get Brunell off the books, we're going to have two who aren't making much at all. (Unless Ramsey explodes, he'll get a modest contract two years from now or he'll leave). That leaves us with more cap room for other things, which helps us deal with the loss of the draft picks.

I don't think you can point to the drafting of a 2nd QB and automatically say it is a misallocation of resources unless you consider the finances. When the salary is that low, there is no pressure to bring Campbell along that quickly. You can let Ramsey keep his starting job and let Campbell learn, because your QBs aren't monopolizing your cap space.

nice post

[12thMan]

Hi guys,

Only my 5th or 6th post, so I'm still green here. But I agree with one of the earlier comments that picking Campbell was an indictment on Brunell not Ramsey. Ramsey, as we all know, has some wonderful tools. But to his defense, he's been in a couple of different systems so far. I think the big thing working in his favor this year is continuity of coaches and schemes.

I think the team will benefit this year from the "Piereces" that are still here. A la Khary Campbell, Joe Salave (sp), and Ron Warner. In my opinion these role players will emerge as bonifide Redskins of the future and add a lot to the team this year!!

[Longtimefan]

Firstdown I would like to clarify to some degree exactly what I meant when I said we cannot be sure of what or where Ramsey will be in the next two years. I am not throughly convinced of the fact that even if Ramsey is playing good it's not a matter of whether Gibbs will get rid of him as opposed as to whether he will want to stay here. I need to be convinced that the drafting of Campbell was not for any other reason than to play, and to play for the Redskins. I can't get out of my mind how Ramsey reacted last year when Brunell was brought in to compete with him for the starting QB job. Based on that reaction alone I'm left to wonder just what his intentions "might" be in the not so distant future. It could be that he will once again not welcome the competition (which will always be) and express the desire to move on. This may not be the case, but we must understand that somewhere in the future there has to be a place for Campbell.

[SkinsRock]

Ok, I haven't read through the thread, so I apologize if someone has already said this, but why is it that people tend to forget that Gibbs teams before had periods where they struggled? But to Joe's credit, they always pulled out of it. People write and talk about "HOF Coach Joe Gibbs" as if we went to the SB every year he was here before....with us fans, that's understandable, but not the so-called experts that are supposed to be objective. It just astonishes me that these guys don't recognize the fact that yes, the game had passed Gibbs, so it took him a year to catch up....really not even a year if you look at how we played the last part of the season. He was always the master of studying a situation, identifying what to do to adjust, and then adjusting....whatever it takes! I have no doubt that he will do it again.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I love that article. It's the most "upbeat" non-homer article I've seen.