Asante Samuel or Nate Clements???

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Springs is better against the pass right now, but by midseason, Carlos could pass him with a bit more expierence. Carlos is already better vs. the run, not to say that Springs isn't good against the run, Rogers is just among the leagues best. Right up there with Ronde Barber in terms of run support.

Springs is in decline, though. Rogers is a first round pick in his third, and argueably most crucial year. He's got to play. Sure, Springs would be the league's best nickle (and more than capable of starting), but is that a bad thing?

maybe i missed something, but carlos looked terrible most of the year, and he had easier assignments. I believe keeping the better talent on the field will win more games, and right now, carlos isn't even close to springs. hell, kenny wright was getting burnt less... a lot less. he was supposed to be the #3, but people were choosing to throw on rodgers instead of him.

[diehardskin2982]

The secondary was weak on depth and talent wise but I think the fact we had no pressure on the qb played more into them getting torched than anything else.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

maybe i missed something, but carlos looked terrible most of the year, and he had easier assignments. I believe keeping the better talent on the field will win more games, and right now, carlos isn't even close to springs. hell, kenny wright was getting burnt less... a lot less. he was supposed to be the #3, but people were choosing to throw on rodgers instead of him.

Carlos looked great against inferior talent. That could be said about a lot of guys, obviously, but the key is to make sure you have a guy on the field across from him who is a better cover guy. IF we did sign Clements, I think it should be Rogers wo starts across from him.

All the "cushion" problems we had came when he and Wright were the starters. In that case, the opposition could just target their best player, because he was probably better than the CB covering him.

In nickle situations, I'd still want Springs on the outside, and Rogers on the slot guy. Just when we are in our base 4-3, and expecting the run, I want Rogers on the field.

[GTripp0012]

Our problem all year happened at the LOS. Andre Carter was terrible vs. the run. He was our lone bright spot against the pass. Our blitzes are ineffective because it blitzing negates Carter's ability to utilize the speed rush. On top of that, we were terrible on third and long.

We are likely stuck with Carter, so its time to build around him. Upgrade DT, upgrade the other end. Get a MLB with sideline to sideline speed to string out plays designed to go at Andre Carter.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

The Patriots let guys go all the time. Unless I'm mistaken.

True. But they are going to get value for a top notch NFL corner that is in his prime. Trust me. He's not going to walk and they get nothing. The players that they let go did not command Samuel's value. Look at what they did with Deion Branch. Branch has value and they got something for him.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

True. But they are going to get value for a top notch NFL corner that is in his prime. Trust me. He's not going to walk and they get nothing. The players that they let go did not command Samuel's value. Look at what they did with Deion Branch. Branch has value and they got something for him.

Did they get anything for guys like Law, McGinnest, Givens, and Viniatieri? Not trying to be a pain, I really don't recall. I'm inclined to think they didn't. Sometimes there's nothing a team can do when a player wants to leave. Not knocking the Pats organization by any means. Just saying sometimes things are out of their control. Just like any team.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Did they get anything for guys like Law, McGinnest, Givens, and Viniatieri? Not trying to be a pain, I really don't recall. I'm inclined to think they didn't. Sometimes there's nothing a team can do when a player wants to leave. Not knocking the Pats organization by any means. Just saying sometimes things are out of their control. Just like any team.

I think with Viniateri and Givens they felt they could replace both with drafting the new kicker and Chad Jackson. McGinnest is in his mid 30's so I guess they felt he was on the downside. But Ty Law (and Lawyer Malloy) is interesting. I know Law hurt his foot during one of the SB runs and could not play. I wonder if they did get anything back for those guys. I honestly don't remember. But I already heard on Sports Center that they are planning to franchise Samuel if they can't get a deal done.

[GiantsSuck703]

I say Nate Clements, according to alot of sources on the internet, Asante Samuels believes hes the best corner on the market and wants to be paid like it. But my ideal situation would be to bring back Smoot, I know alot of people think hes washed up now, but i believe that had to do more with Minnesotas system than it had to do with Smoot having depleted skills. He was a really good corner here, and I know he would love to come back, he wouldnt be expensive and GW knows how to use him. I think picking up Nate Clements and Fred Smoot would be great, that would allow us to move Shawn Springs to safety and see how that works out, or we could just cut Springs and start Doughty at safety and see if we got some young talent on this roster.

[That Guy]

GW let smoot go because he wasn't a great tackler. he passed up andre dyson (and instead used a draft pick on a CB instead of DL) because dyson isn't a great tackler... so i'm not sure if the bring smoot back campaign is going to work.

I mean, all three years, we've been terrible at defending #2 WRs. that's part of why pulling springs from the starting lineup seems stupid to me.

[dmek25]

because smoot was a great character, and a fan favorite, people want him back? he was the third corner on the vikings. we have enough nickle backs around here, rogers included

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by dmek25

because smoot was a great character, and a fan favorite, people want him back? he was the third corner on the vikings. we have enough nickle backs around here, rogers included

It doesn't matter what he was on the Vikings. Unless an injury has reduced his skill he has proven that he can play well in G-Dub's defense. That is all that matters.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by That Guy

GW let smoot go because he wasn't a great tackler. he passed up andre dyson (and instead used a draft pick on a CB instead of DL) because dyson isn't a great tackler... so i'm not sure if the bring smoot back campaign is going to work.

I mean, all three years, we've been terrible at defending #2 WRs. that's part of why pulling springs from the starting lineup seems stupid to me.

I'll take someone who can cover.

Kenny Wright could tackle, but only when he was chasing someone down after a long gain.

This is the crap that pisses me off about GW. Sure, he has a proven system, but SO DO OTHER TEAMS. He doesn't play his rookies, has to HAVE a physical corner, HAS to do shit differently. Other teams do the opposites and still have success.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

It doesn't matter what he was on the Vikings. Unless an injury has reduced his skill he has proven that he can play well in G-Dub's defense. That is all that matters.

i think maybe being a 3rd corner, behind a rookie, might be an indication that his skill level has dropped

[celts32]

I worry about New England guys just being system guys. Clements definitely...

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I agree. I've never seen such a mediocre crop of talent overperform so much since last year's playoff Redskins.