Joyner: Cooley underrated

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I'd take out Davis, LJ Smith, Dallas Clark and Winslow. Still though, when you look at that list compared to the sheer number of TEs in the league, that's only a FRACTION. Also, remember the TEs who are cut and never even saw a roster. Not that easily replaceable if you ask me.

You would take out Winslow? Really??? I mean the guys first year on the field ( after a broken leg and torn acl ) he had 90 cates. That is pretty damn impressive to me. And I don't care if Clev. didn't have any WR's cause he still had to get open. If you are catching that many balls you are consistently beating the LB's and DB's.

I think LJ Smith is a vey solid player and Clark would get alot more balls if he were in any other offense.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You would take out Winslow? Really??? I mean the guys first year on the field ( after a broken leg and torn acl ) he had 90 cates. That is pretty damn impressive to me. And I don't care if Clev. didn't have any WR's cause he still had to get open. If you are catching that many balls you are consistently beating the LB's and DB's.

I think LJ Smith is a vey solid player and Clark would get alot more balls if he were in any other offense.

My judgment is reserved until I see that Winslow can do it again. Smith is solid, but again he's not great like Cooley. And Clark gets the balls he gets BECAUSE of the offense he's in. Any other team makes him less than good.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

My judgment is reserved until I see that Winslow can do it again. Smith is solid, but again he's not great like Cooley. And Clark gets the balls he gets BECAUSE of the offense he's in. Any other team makes him less than good.

So you are saying Cooley is a great TE? I wouldn't say that quite yet. I wouldn't put him in Gates or Tony G. league quite yet. He could get there. But he ain't there yet.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So you are saying Cooley is a great TE? I wouldn't say that quite yet. I wouldn't put him in Gates or Tony G. league quite yet. He could get there. But he ain't there yet.

Judging by Cooley's stats over the past few years, he's been constantly in the top five. So it's kind of like Gates and Gonzo and then there's a HUGE dropoff between them and people like Cooley, Crumpler and Witten?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

My judgment is reserved until I see that Winslow can do it again. Smith is solid, but again he's not great like Cooley. And Clark gets the balls he gets BECAUSE of the offense he's in. Any other team makes him less than good.

Both you and Skinsfan69 have good points on Winslow. I don't know exactly how good he is, but theres no reason to think that he isn't going to be one of the best TEs in the league.

[skinsWill]

Well i just ran across this article on NFL.com and its the top 100 fantasy players (I know its only for fantasy but its also a ranking of top players at theri positions and this guy ranked Cooley as the #6 TE overall)

NFL.com - NFL Fantasy

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsWill

Well i just ran across this article on NFL.com and its the top 100 fantasy players (I know its only for fantasy but its also a ranking of top players at theri positions and this guy ranked Cooley as the #6 TE overall)

NFL.com - NFL Fantasy

Chris Cooley is a very good fantasy TE.

That said, when trying to pick fantasy receivers and TEs, the ONLY guys you want to grab are the ones who are going to get the most passes thrown at them. Everything else is unimportant.

So this rankings list is just as solid as anyone elses, because we all know Cooley is going to get looks, its just a matter of whether or not he gets more looks than every other TE in the league.

[JoeRedskin]

It cracks me up how, sometimes, it takes 40 or 50 posts before someone's arguments finally devolve into " 'cause I said so" - even though that was obvious to everyone else at the beginning.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

It cracks me up how, sometimes, it takes 40 or 50 posts before someone's arguments finally devolve into " 'cause I said so" - even though that was obvious to everyone else at the beginning.

Well said.

[GTripp0012]

To clarify, I don't think that, outside of Quarterback, you can look at any position without looking at blocking, but with TE and OL, its so vital that if you can't block, you probably shouldn't be on the field.