Colt Brennan vs Rookie class

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Anyway Brennan deserves a shot just like how Campbell and Collins both got shots last year to be a starting QB, and by a shot I mean he gets to play with the starters and not 2nd/3rd Stringers.

Why? Why should Shanahan give the 3rd string/low round project QB picked up by the previous coach a chance? Like I said, at best Brennan is a backup, in reality he'll probably be gone come training camp.

[over the mountain]

I dont think colt will stick on the roster come roster trimming time but i would like to see him start 1 pre season game with the starters.

i dont think colt will turn out to be anything but i would like to see the man get one half of football with the starters.

its just hard to get a feel for colt, at least for me. i dont think you can dismiss him as a 2nd or 3rd string qb just yet. this preseason will shed light on alot of things.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

I dont think colt will stick on the roster come roster trimming time but i would like to see him start 1 pre season game with the starters.

i dont think colt will turn out to be anything but i would like to see the man get one half of football with the starters.

its just hard to get a feel for colt, at least for me. i dont think you can dismiss him as a 2nd or 3rd string qb just yet. this preseason will shed light on alot of things.

I'm not what you would call the ultimate Colt Brennan fan but I would like to see him have more of an opportunity with front line players. Many seem to have already made up their minds about him, but I haven't seen enough of him in the pre-season games to make an unbiased opinion. In the two seasons he's been here I've seen approximately three quarters (if that much) of him and all of that was with back-ups. That's not enough for me to make any kind of decision about him.

I'm glad that detail will go to the coaches to decide.

[KLHJ2]

I think that this thread was the official start of the offseason. Thread Quality is all downhill from here.

For the record I like Colt and want to see him succeed but realistically it isn't going to happen here. It might not even happen at all.

[SmootSmack]

What I want to know is this...why do you all hate Richard Bartel so much?

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What I want to know is this...why do you all hate Richard Bartel so much?

because andre woodson is wayyyy better

[JoeRedskin]

How about this: If Colt were allowed to enter the draft this year as he is now (i.e. a two year vet who suffered an injury and has not started a game but is young and may have some potential), Where would he be drafted?

Is he a first round pick? A second round pick? etc. This is not a trade scenario but a hypothetical situation in which Colt's contract is voided and he is subject to be drafted by any team desiring to do so.

Holding the 4th pick, would you chose him over Bradford or Clausen? What about other teams, do you think anyone would spend a first rounder on him?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

How about this: If Colt were allowed to enter the draft this year as he is now (i.e. a two year vet who suffered an injury and has not started a game but is young and may have some potential), Where would he be drafted?

Is he a first round pick? A second round pick? etc. This is not a trade scenario but a hypothetical situation in which Colt's contract is voided and he is subject to be drafted by any team desiring to do so.

Holding the 4th pick, would you chose him over Bradford or Clausen? What about other teams, do you think anyone would spend a first rounder on him?

Great way to frame the question. That really is what the OP would have to ask. CB, even with 2 preseasons, would not be on either of these two qb's level. And I agree with Over The Mountains assessment that he will not be on our roster after preseason.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Great way to frame the question. That really is what the OP would have to ask. CB, even with 2 preseasons, would not be on either of these two qb's level. And I agree with Over The Mountains assessment that he will not be on our roster after preseason.

I'm hard pressed to understand how he's remained on the roster for the last two years. If he can't play he shouldn't be on the roster, he should have gone the way of Jordan Palmer.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I'm hard pressed to understand how he's remained on the roster for the last two years. If he can't play he shouldn't be on the roster, he should have gone the way of Jordan Palmer.

I think it's fair to say, in hindsight, that the last two years were not the best planned or best implemented seasons.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

How about this: If Colt were allowed to enter the draft this year as he is now (i.e. a two year vet who suffered an injury and has not started a game but is young and may have some potential), Where would he be drafted?

Is he a first round pick? A second round pick? etc. This is not a trade scenario but a hypothetical situation in which Colt's contract is voided and he is subject to be drafted by any team desiring to do so.

Holding the 4th pick, would you chose him over Bradford or Clausen? What about other teams, do you think anyone would spend a first rounder on him?

Great way to put it. He's probably no better than a 6th rounder today than he was 2 years ago. I don't see where his stock has risen at all.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Great way to put it. He's probably no better than a 6th rounder today than he was 2 years ago. I don't see where his stock has risen at all.

If that, I think people saw potential in Colt then, but now he's a 26 year old (27 when the season starts) who hasn't gotten any closer to playing, he'd probably go undrafted.

[PHazard]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Great way to put it. He's probably no better than a 6th rounder today than he was 2 years ago. I don't see where his stock has risen at all.

Yeah but even hypothetically, it takes away part of the point of starting him. I'm not saying if we put him back in the draft he'd be taken before Bradford or Clausen, what i AM saying is if we let it be a competition between him and campbell then we don't hafta use one of our 5 remaining picks on a QB. Our Oline is garbage, we don't have the personnel for a 3-4. WE ONLY HAVE 5 PICKS! So we grab some Olineman, cuz any drafted anywhere can compete with our current starters. And Defense (LBs, FSs, DEs) usually play in a rotation so everyone gets snaps plus special teams. Id rather get players that are gonna contribute in some way this year than waste a pick on a "project" that will spend a year on the bench "learning." And if we use our #4 pick on a Bradford or a Clausen, then we have just taken sum1 who will backup Campbell his 1st year over someone who could start ON DAY ONE! We have too many needs.

Onto Brennan, im sure ive shown enough support for this idea in other threads. Colt Brennan is a classic gunslinger. I think the way Colt plays the game is exactly what Mike Shanahan needs. And why take a "project" in this draft when we already have an untested "project" already on the roster. I understand its not Shanny's "project" but its a project nonetheless and it would save us a draft pick. I'm tired of hearing about his performance in the Georgia game. Yes, he was humbled in that game. You guys say outmatched, but HIS WHOLE TEAM WAS OUTMATCHED. You take an offense that only throws, put a defense against it that drops 8 in coverage and can get a heavy pass rush from 3 NFL-READY Dlineman than anyone would fail. His Olineman couldnt stop those pass rushers. The game highlighted the SPREAD offense's weaknesses not Brennan's. Im not saying he'll be a star right off cuz we've only seen him against 2nd/3rd stringers but in those 2nd n 3rd stringers are older vets AND higher draft picks than him (just sayin). But i see sumthing in Brennan that ive never seen in Campbell.....HEART! The kid is a WINNER and settles for nothing less. When he was playing semi-pro/community college ball and was applying to real colleges, Hawaii coach June Jones called him and asked him if he was ready to be great, n if not, just hang up the phone. Well im sure Colt took that as a challenge and thats why he ended up going there. Cuz no1 was gonna tell him he wasnt ready to be great. And we all know how that ended up (records, stats, etc.) but at hawaii i saw even more than that. I saw a kid who LOVED playing football, who loved commanding the huddle, who always had a smile on his face, and who congratulated EVERY SINGLE teammate anytime they did anything productive. high fives, slappin pads, whatever it was he was a leader and he got the whole team excited and he's the kinda kid a whole team could rally around. He even learned SAMOAN to help his offensive line make line calls at the line and blitz pickups and pass protections. JASON CAMPBELL WONT EVEN CALL AUDIBLES! So he gets drafted in the 6th round, another disappointment for him, so what does he do? doesnt get down, decided the best revenge was too work hard and put up an impressive preseason for himself his rookie year. Id give this kid a shot on attitude alone. He's just a fiery kid you cant help but root for. Everyone compares him to a Brett Favre or a Tony Romo. WELL THATS NOT BAD COMPANY. Tony Romo went undrafted look how he turned out. So dont say cuz he was drafted in the 6th he cant be good. And brett favre, He was a third-string quarterback with an affinity for partying, He went 0 for 5 passing with two interceptions and His very first pass in the NFL resulted in a touchdown. . . for the other team. So im tellin you, we cant give up on him before he even gets a chance. Yeah he had the hip injury this past preseason and wasnt able to drive off that back leg as well as he is accustomed to doing, thats why he threw that pick against the pats. But did you see what he did after, came back in, with a blitz in his face, and bodies flying all around him, he stood tough in the pocket and launched a beautifully accurate pass to Marko Mitchell for a TD of like 40-50 yards. That's what we need, a kid who is resilient. Jason Campbell looks like Eeyore on the field, either depressed about one of his recent plays or depressed about a bad play he sees upcoming. In a two minute drill i would give Brennan the reigns before i give it to Campbell. Cuz Brennan wants to win, Campbell has the look of "We're already losing, we cant come back now." But this isnt a Campbell bashing thread, its in support of Colt Brennan. So he finds out about this tear in his hip, gets it surgically fixed, which is a normal procedure, it wasnt a torn acl, mcl, pcl, rotator cuff, shoulder, so there was NO reason he shoulda been on IR. Zorn robbed Brennan of "possible" playing time but def of a season. He has moxie, if we dont play him some one will (falcons didnt play favre, packers did.) And he will continue to get better. So maybe he's the man, maybe he isnt but id give him a shot. Shanahan's offense is built off the run, working in with play action. The QB in his offense needs to be someone who is mobile/can move the pocket, and is accurate. Those are two of Brennan's biggest strengths now AND when he was coming out of college. I dont want to waste picks this year, especially on QB (cuz whether its a $40 mill guaranteed guy or a "project", they are possibly gonna lose a year of development in a 2011 lockout.) Brennan at least already has two years in the league. So it is just the old adage, Dont knock it till you try it :-P

-Haz

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Great way to put it. He's probably no better than a 6th rounder today than he was 2 years ago. I don't see where his stock has risen at all.

I don't know. I'd say with that first preseason he proved he should have been drafted higher. Maybe 4th or 5th round. Possibly as high as the 3rd.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I don't know. I'd say with that first preseason he proved he should have been drafted higher. Maybe 4th or 5th round. Possibly as high as the 3rd.

So what did the 2nd preseason prove?