Haynesworth trade possibly in the works

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by drew54

I would rather he play 15-20 snaps a game for someone else.

Really? That'd be about half his lowest snap count, which was in the Detroit game that he had to leave early in.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Really? That'd be about half his lowest snap count, which was in the Detroit game that he had to leave early in.

tryfuhl, don't fill the Godzilla haters minds with facts. According to them the only times he stepped on the field he ended the play rolling around on the ground.

He had nothing to do with single handedly stopping the Giants line, fullback and rhinocerous of a runningback on that 4th and one. He also had nothing to do with shutting down Dallas' short yardage plays.

[drew54]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

tryfuhl, don't fill the Godzilla haters minds with facts. According to them the only times he stepped on the field he ended the play rolling around on the ground.

He had nothing to do with single handedly stopping the Giants line, fullback and rhinocerous of a runningback on that 4th and one. He also had nothing to do with shutting down Dallas' short yardage plays.

You're right but what was the record in those games.
I didn't watch every snap this season, but he did pull up lame quite a bit. Also he missed four games.

When he was on the field, there is no doubt about it he was feared by the opposing team and was a disruptive force.

My 15-20 snaps per game was wrong, here is the official numbers I found while googling for it. 573/795 = 72.1%; 47.8 snaps per game. He is on par with most other DTs for snaps per game. The difference is they are not being paid 100M.

And love Albert or hate him, I am with the Coach first and foremost always.

[MTK]

I would be happy if we could get a couple of 2nd rounders for AH like the Broncos got for Marshall.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I would be happy if we could get a couple of 2nd rounders for AH like the Broncos got for Marshall.

as would i. I simply don't get why everyone is so upset about the potential of trading him. as long as we get the proper value for him, which i feel is about 800 points on the draft trade value chart, i'd be happy.

i've outlined a plethora of reasons trading him a number of times, and i'm not going to go over them all again here. bottom line is that haynesworth is not indespensable to the team, we've got a number of needs to fill on the team, and haynesworth is - by far - the player on our team with the most trade value. it makes alot of sense to move him.

that said, if we traded him for anything less than 650 points, i'd be pissed.

(For comparisons sake, Brandon Marshall was traded for the 11th pick in the 2nd round this year (470) points and Miami's 2nd rounder next year. Assuming Miami finishes with the exact same record next year, that pick would also be worth 470 points in the 2011 draft. So, without doing any fancy adjustments to compensate for depreciating the value of future picks, Marshall was worth about 940 points).

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I would be happy if we could get a couple of 2nd rounders for AH like the Broncos got for Marshall.

I would too. Hopefully we don't get too ancy and give him away. I'd rather him play for us this year. For god sake, he just got paid 20mill. You'd think he could suck it up and have a good attitude for a year.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I would too. Hopefully we don't get too ancy and give him away. I'd rather him play for us this year. For god sake, he just got paid 20mill. You'd think he could suck it up and have a good attitude for a year.

why should he? he got paid 32 mil for 13 months of good behavior. he has already recieved the majority of his contract money.

why would he want to stay on a 4-12 team, switching to a 3-4 and play for 6 mil the next few years when he can pout, get traded then sign a brand new stinking contract paying him more guaranteed money?

i think AH and his agent were licking their chops at realizing AH only has to be here for 13 months for 32 mil.

AH basicaly hit the double bonus lotto thanks to vinny and danny thinking they were clever with the way they "took advantage" of the looming uncapped year by frontloading AH's deal. im sure bruce came in and slapped them upside the head for being so stupid and greedy.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

why should he? he got paid 32 mil for 13 months of good behavior. he has already recieved the majority of his contract money.

why would he want to stay on a 4-12 team, switching to a 3-4 and play for 6 mil the next few years when he can pout, get traded then sign a brand new stinking contract paying him more guaranteed money?

i think AH and his agent were licking their chops at realizing AH only has to be here for 13 months for 32 mil.

AH basicaly hit the double bonus lotto thanks to vinny and danny thinking they were clever with the way they "took advantage" of the looming uncapped year by frontloading AH's deal. im sure bruce came in and slapped them upside the head for being so stupid and greedy.

His contract will follow him unless they negotiate an extension, within the 30pct rule, or throw on a mean bonus

[celts32]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Looks like AH might indeed be traded. Jason La Canfora says AH is looking to be traded and we are looking at another FA DT to possibly take his place if he is indeed traded. Looks like Shwartz from Detroit is very interested in him.Haynesworth avoiding Redskins' voluntary minicamp; trade possible

I can't think of a less reliable source then JLC. That said I would trade AH for Detroit's #2 pick but Tenn's #3 is not enough. We already paid the bulk of the money and even if he's disgruntled he will still be more valuable then a 3rd round pick will be.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

I can't think of a less reliable source then JLC. That said I would trade AH for Detroit's #2 pick but Tenn's #3 is not enough. We already paid the bulk of the money and even if he's disgruntled he will still be more valuable then a 3rd round pick will be.

I trust JLC more than i trust Schefter when it comes to this sort of thing. his closeness to shanahan makes the accuracy of the information doubtful, especially when its to the skins strategic advantage to get false information out there. kinda like - whether it was about the search for WMDs or stories on the war in iraq, who would be most likely to report information closer to the truth - Fox News or the BBC? i'm not trying to get political beacuse I really don't care. I just think that, when agendas are involved, the media outlet with "closest" source is not going to have the most accurate information.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I trust JLC more than i trust Schefter when it comes to this sort of thing. his closeness to shanahan makes the accuracy of the information doubtful, especially when its to the skins strategic advantage to get false information out there. kinda like - whether it was about the search for WMDs or stories on the war in iraq, who would be most likely to report information closer to the truth - Fox News or the BBC? i'm not trying to get political beacuse I really don't care. I just think that, when agendas are involved, the media outlet with "closest" source is not going to have the most accurate information.

Has JLC been right or on time with ANYTHING this year that's about us? He's broke a few things league wide but he's usually 2-4 days behind what we're even talking about on here. Remember he was the one saying that we were top on the list for Porter, Dansby, Pashos, etc etc

Just not much of what he's said has actually come close to anything that's happened.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I trust JLC more than i trust Schefter when it comes to this sort of thing. his closeness to shanahan makes the accuracy of the information doubtful, especially when its to the skins strategic advantage to get false information out there. kinda like - whether it was about the search for WMDs or stories on the war in iraq, who would be most likely to report information closer to the truth - Fox News or the BBC? i'm not trying to get political beacuse I really don't care. I just think that, when agendas are involved, the media outlet with "closest" source is not going to have the most accurate information.

Well I'm sure JLC has no love for the Redskins FO so that (I think) would give a bit of a negative bias to his reports. Throw on top of that the whole "drama/negativity sells" makes me not trust JLC.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Has JLC been right or on time with ANYTHING this year that's about us? He's broke a few things league wide but he's usually 2-4 days behind what we're even talking about on here. Remember he was the one saying that we were top on the list for Porter, Dansby, Pashos, etc etc

Just not much of what he's said has actually come close to anything that's happened.

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well I'm sure JLC has no love for the Redskins FO so that (I think) would give a bit of a negative bias to his reports. Throw on top of that the whole "drama/negativity sells" makes me not trust JLC.

apparently, you havent been paying attention recently. JLC has consistently praised the redskins front office under its current front office structure. he's on the tony kornheiser show every week and almost goes out of his way to praise the way the skins have handled the offseason. also, the redskins did pursue everyone JLC reported they pursued - its just at the end of the day, the front office chose not to get in a bidding war and overpay for any of those guys.

regarding Haynesworth, JLC isnt the only one who has cited sources indicating the skins want to move haynesworth. in fact, everyone in the media who cites sources says thats exactly what the skins are trying to do - except schefter. while some of you feel schefter's closeness with Shanahan means he should be beleived over everyone else, i think we have to look at the situation objectively.

while i'll trust schefter to provide updates on acquisitions in process, contract negotiations, etc - i dont take a thing he says about something at face value when shanahan would have a strategic reason to be less than forthright - especially when everyone else is reporting something different that schefter.

Also, Smoot, would you mind clarifying one point:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

-That said, Shanahan isn't looking to unload Haynesworth but he is listening to offers and may settle for something a bit less than value

that statement seems somewhat contradictory. Saying Shanahan isnt "looking to unload" Haynesworth implies he either doesnt want to move him or doesn't really care either way. Stating that he "may settle for something a bit less than value" indicates he really want to move him, even if we don't get what we should. If either of the former statements were true, there would be no chance Shanahan would trade Haynesworth for anything less than value, wouldnt it?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

that statement seems somewhat contradictory. Saying Shanahan isnt "looking to unload" Haynesworth implies he either doesnt want to move him or doesn't really care either way. Stating that he "may settle for something a bit less than value" indicates he really want to move him, even if we don't get what we should. If either of the former statements were true, there would be no chance Shanahan would trade Haynesworth for anything less than value, wouldnt it?

I should clarify, what I meant to write and I think I did later in the post was that he's not looking to unload him but will consider it at the best value. But I, SmootSmack, hope that he doesn't settle for lower value. Mainly because of other moves that haven't yet panned out, I just hope they don't get into desperation mode here.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I trust JLC more than i trust Schefter when it comes to this sort of thing. his closeness to shanahan makes the accuracy of the information doubtful, especially when its to the skins strategic advantage to get false information out there. kinda like - whether it was about the search for WMDs or stories on the war in iraq, who would be most likely to report information closer to the truth - Fox News or the BBC? i'm not trying to get political beacuse I really don't care. I just think that, when agendas are involved, the media outlet with "closest" source is not going to have the most accurate information.

When has Schefter put incorrect information out there related to Shanahan? Also, when has he ever furthered Shanahan's agenda? You don't think ESPN would discipline him for that?