Rogers Ready to Move On

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Carlos Rogers: "It would be fun to play against the Redskins twice a year." - Hogs Haven

Dont let the door hit you in the ass,, bye!,,,,

[CrustyRedskin]

Carlos is the least of the skins worries.

[SBXVII]

I think Rogers should go out and test the market. It also depends on the need. Say there are two teams out there who need a good CB. Good I say. Then Rogers might get them in a bidding war for his services. On top of that it also depends on what players of equal stats are getting in his position.

Do I have a problem with Rogers? no. I look at it this way if you have a CB on one side who is a bit more of a risk taker and will try and jump the pass for an interception then you need another CB on the other side who is not a risk taker and plays the game safe. Because the FS will most likely need to roll towards the side with the risk taking CB to back him up in case he misses the interception. Otherwise you need to keep both Safeties back to help out the CB's if you have two risk takers.

The two glaring problems with Rogers is he fails to make interceptions (big whoop) and he is known to bite on the first move. Rogers has had his share of WR's faking him out and getting yards. So though he's not bad, I wouldn't label him top 10. Matter of fact going to NFL.com and looking up players by position stats you might be supprised to see that 4 other Washington players rank before Rogers for 2010. Hall at #4, Doughty at #5, Landry at #16, and K.Moore at #40. The have Rogers ranked #54.

Looking back Rogers rank for each yr:

2010- #54
2009- #76
2008- #48
2007- #93
2006- #20
2005- #58

These numbers however are not just CB's. It includes Safeties as well. Also I think part of the reason for the flux is because he might have been injured or was used differently. I don't mean to say he was used in a different position, I mean what he was asked to do in the GW, Blache, or Haslett's defense might be slightly different. In any event I see him as a middle of the road CB.

I could be wrong though... Bleacherreport has him listed #10.

10. Carlos Rogers (WAS)

Carlos Rogers has the attitude and ability to become a top corner in the league consistently. Rogers is a hard working talent who can read plays extremely well.

His ability to break is often over-looked and his hitting comes and goes. He is so reliable to have however, because he is a corner that will always make a play on the ball.

He has some of the best man-to-man coverage skills, but I haven't really been impressed with his zone coverage.

Rogers' awareness and ability to break on most balls makes him such a dangerous defender, but he does give up big plays from time to time (usually not touchdowns, however).

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

So though he's not bad, I wouldn't label him top 10. Matter of fact going to NFL.com and looking up players by position stats you might be supprised to see that 4 other Washington players rank before Rogers for 2010. Hall at #4, Doughty at #5, Landry at #16, and K.Moore at #40. The have Rogers ranked #54.

Looking back Rogers rank for each yr:

2010- #54
2009- #76
2008- #48
2007- #93
2006- #20
2005- #58

What stats are you using? D. Hall has never been a top ranked CB, in fact, he's been one of the worst ranked CBs in the NFL for many years now. I've shown those numbers repeatedly. The numbers I showed actually had Carlos (in one of the years) ranked really high in terms of his position. We aren't talking about "Hype" rankings here, we are talking about actual productivity. Or in the case of CBs, the lack of production (against you) is the key.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

What stats are you using? D. Hall has never been a top ranked CB, in fact, he's been one of the worst ranked CBs in the NFL for many years now. I've shown those numbers repeatedly. The numbers I showed actually had Carlos (in one of the years) ranked really high in terms of his position. We aren't talking about "Hype" rankings here, we are talking about actual productivity. Or in the case of CBs, the lack of production (against you) is the key.

As I said NFL.com but remember they are using all DB's to include safeties.

NFL Stats: by Player Position

[SBXVII]

Carlos takes a swipe at Hall.......
Carlos Rogers takes a swipe at DeAngelo Hall | ProFootballTalk

Rogers elaborated via text message to Chris Russell of ESPN 980. “I wasn’t the corner that gave up the most TD’s or yards or first downs,” Rogers said, “but I’m the corner that is looked at [as] the 2nd corner, [that] I need to be replaced.”

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Carlos takes a swipe at Hall.......
Carlos Rogers takes a swipe at DeAngelo Hall | ProFootballTalk

Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm


That said, Rogers is part of the problem that has plagued this team for many years. The guy mailed it in last year. When he was cleared to play, this idiot still sat out in fear he might get hurt. **** that guy, THAT is why I don't want this clown here. It's all about the money for him, and chances are he's going to quit on you once he does get that big payday. In fact, one of the insiders I know said that Los was partying it up in the clubs during that time he was supposedly injured. It's time we move on from this clown and away from players like this.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm


That said, Rogers is part of the problem that has plagued this team for many years. The guy mailed it in last year. When he was cleared to play, this idiot still sat out in fear he might get hurt. **** that guy, THAT is why I don't want this clown here. It's all about the money for him, and chances are he's going to quit on you once he does get that big payday. In fact, one of the insiders I know said that Los was partying it up in the clubs during that time he was supposedly injured. It's time we move on from this clown and away from players like this.

I think thats a really good point. But i dont think there are many 30 year FA cornors that arnt gonna do the same.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm


That said, Rogers is part of the problem that has plagued this team for many years. The guy mailed it in last year. When he was cleared to play, this idiot still sat out in fear he might get hurt. **** that guy, THAT is why I don't want this clown here. It's all about the money for him, and chances are he's going to quit on you once he does get that big payday. In fact, one of the insiders I know said that Los was partying it up in the clubs during that time he was supposedly injured. It's time we move on from this clown and away from players like this.

I don't like Hall beyond what is necessary. However, Hall's riverboat gambling can be mitigated by strengthening the pass rush and thus when he does make a gamble, the pass rush would force a poor throw that he can get his hands on.

With Rogers, you can give him Suh, Sapp, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, and he'll still drop 70+% of the picks he could grab and then some.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I don't like Hall beyond what is necessary. However, Hall's riverboat gambling can be mitigated by strengthening the pass rush and thus when he does make a gamble, the pass rush would force a poor throw that he can get his hands on.

With Rogers, you can give him Suh, Sapp, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, and he'll still drop 70+% of the picks he could grab and then some.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I don't like Hall beyond what is necessary. However, Hall's riverboat gambling can be mitigated by strengthening the pass rush and thus when he does make a gamble, the pass rush would force a poor throw that he can get his hands on.

With Rogers, you can give him Suh, Sapp, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, and he'll still drop 70+% of the picks he could grab and then some.

Why is everyone so obsessed with Rogers dropping the ball? He's a freakin' corner, not a wr. Jeez....I know it's pathetic but his job is to cover first.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Why is everyone so obsessed with Rogers dropping the ball? He's a freakin' corner, not a wr. Jeez....I know it's pathetic but his job is to cover first.

Creating turnovers is just as vital of a role for a CB as coverage. Think of it this way, how many lost opportunities and probably games have Rogers' drops caused? In this league, you can't give opponents second chances. That's what Carlos does. The real problem is not that he drops interceptions, it's how he drops EASY interceptions that hit him in the hands, chest, facemask...a professional football player should not be doing this, that often.

It has become a liability that really detracts from his decent coverage skills.



If not for Orakpo actually getting a rare holding call, that blunder would have cost of the game.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Why is everyone so obsessed with Rogers dropping the ball? He's a freakin' corner, not a wr. Jeez....I know it's pathetic but his job is to cover first.

Which is why I said it all depends on what Rogers roll was in each of the defenses; GW, Blache, and Haslett. It's easy to say his job is to cover first, thats what all CB are supposed to do. They are supposed to cover the WR. But I think it all depends on whether they are playing zone or man-to-man, or if his job is to rush the QB. I don't need to explain it but man-to-man is easy... he's to cover the WR. In zone he's supposed to watch and area and at some point from the LOS he has to release the WR to the safety. Sometimes I think Rogers released too soon and the safety was not in a position to take over the responsibility which led to a TD or 1st down. In man-to-man he bites hard on the first move sometimes. Which is why teams quickly figured out that if their WR did a stop and go they had a better chance of making the play.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm

Yeah, you're right, Hall did give up what could have been the game winner. However, I believe that play came after a Carlos Rogers dropped pick. An EASY pick that would have ended the game. Instead, him not catching it gave the Cowboys more shots at the end zone...but you're right, scoring the Skins' only touchdown totally didn't do anything for them in that one...Hall SUCKS!

I'm not going to sit here and act like Hall is a great player, but your blind hatred of him is really turning you into a broken record. Let me get this straight: you want to ditch the guy who won the team two games last year by scoring touchdowns/getting picks, says "this is my defense" and at least talks like he likes it in Washington and keep the guy who takes every chance he can to take shots at the team he plays for...that makes sense.

At the end of the day, they both have their deficiencies and neither one are all that good. Carlos can cover and Hall can change games when he's actually close enough to a receiver, or the football, to get a pick. Really, if they somehow melded into one player with Rogers' coverage skills and Hall's ability to catch and score once he has the ball they'd make a great corner. Instead, we have one who gambles too much and another who does a good job of coverage and breaking on the ball, he just can't catch it...unfortunately the latter never keeps his mouth shut and likes to lambaste his employer; I say let him walk.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Yeah, you're right, Hall did give up what could have been the game winner. However, I believe that play came after a Carlos Rogers dropped pick. An EASY pick that would have ended the game. Instead, him not catching it gave the Cowboys more shots at the end zone...but you're right, scoring the Skins' only touchdown totally didn't do anything for them in that one...Hall SUCKS!

I'm not going to sit here and act like Hall is a great player, but your blind hatred of him is really turning you into a broken record. Let me get this straight: you want to ditch the guy who won the team two games last year by scoring touchdowns/getting picks, says "this is my defense" and at least talks like he likes it in Washington and keep the guy who takes every chance he can to take shots at the team he plays for...that makes sense.

At the end of the day, they both have their deficiencies and neither one are all that good. Carlos can cover and Hall can change games when he's actually close enough to a receiver, or the football, to get a pick. Really, if they somehow melded into one player with Rogers' coverage skills and Hall's ability to catch and score once he has the ball they'd make a great corner. Instead, we have one who gambles too much and another who does a good job of coverage and breaking on the ball, he just can't catch it...unfortunately the latter never keeps his mouth shut and likes to lambaste his employer; I say let him walk.

Game. Set. Match