Should Mike Shanahan Be Canonized?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

What happens to that 8-8 expectation when the division-favorite Eagles turn into a full-season disaster who we play twice a season?

We always had the talent for 9-10 wins this year. It looked real dismal at 3-6, but it turns out the team was underachieving at that point. They've overachieved the last five games. And the end result is now a two-game season against Philadelphia and Dallas to determine the NFC East. We're right where we're supposed to be.

You were ready to fire him for his underachievement. (And called us morons for supporting him). Seems to me he should get commensurate praise for the over achievement.

Sorry, count me unimpressed woth your reasoning.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Bucket

I really wanted to bump the "Should Mike be fired thread" but it's locked. Would of loved to re-live all those glorious opinions from the torch lighters who now are the same people rocking Mike Shanahan T-shirts

They should reopen that thread and let some of those peeps eat some crow.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

You were ready to fire him for his underachievement. (And called us morons for supporting him). Seems to me he should get commensurate praise for the over achievement.

Sorry, count me unimpressed woth your reasoning.

Just stop. No one called anyone a moron for supporting him. The specific comment you're refering to was directed at the idea that waiting five years (as opposed to three) was a wise move. Which remains every bit as moronic now as it was then.

The reason no one is talking about firing Mike Shanahan now is because he's winning games in year three, which is the baseline expectation for anyone who holds employment as an NFL head coach, including Zorn, Gibbs, Spurrier, Schottenheimer, and Turner. He's actually passed Zorn in winning percentage here, so good for him.

There's still a job to finish here, but the Redskins are back on the right track, so there's no imperative to make a change at the top right now.

The interesting discussion in the offseason will be where to go from here. And it will have to wait (hopefully) on the results of our playoff run.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

They should reopen that thread and let some of those peeps eat some crow.

Or you could start a new one.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Or you could start a new one.

some people just cant get enough of "i told you so"

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

some people just cant get enough of "i told you so"

Well, those who aren't right very much have a tendency to want to milk it.

If I really wanted to, I could spin the second half surge of the Redskins as something I was right on because I advocated patience for the remainder of the season with the coaching staff. But that would be claiming victory in the middle of a process that hasn't played itself out quite yet. I'm just happy the Redskins are back on track.

[Hog1]

Kevin Sheehan brings up a great point in indicators for the health of an organization. You lose your starting rookie QB and your BU rookie QB (that you drafted) brings it home. Not to mention that 11 draft picks that you drafted contribute meaningfully.
And you shift gears in your O to match your QB and down the road you go.
Mike and Co and BA deserve a huge Attaboy for the turnaround that is in progress in DC currently............HTTR

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Just stop. No one called anyone a moron for supporting him. The specific comment you're refering to was directed at the idea that waiting five years (as opposed to three) was a wise move. Which remains every bit as moronic now as it was then.

The reason no one is talking about firing Mike Shanahan now is because he's winning games in year three, which is the baseline expectation for anyone who holds employment as an NFL head coach, including Zorn, Gibbs, Spurrier, Schottenheimer, and Turner. He's actually passed Zorn in winning percentage here, so good for him.

There's still a job to finish here, but the Redskins are back on the right track, so there's no imperative to make a change at the top right now.

The interesting discussion in the offseason will be where to go from here. And it will have to wait (hopefully) on the results of our playoff run.

GTripp I love the insight and analysis you provide this forum.

But there will be no discussion regarding the Shanahan's in the off season even if we were to lose out from here. And your "no imperative to make a change at the top right now" statement is self-righteous BS. Your ego is exceeding your grasp of what's going on here.

IMHO

[GTripp0012]

I think the incredible results of the 2012 draft class have somewhat masked the fact that the 2011 draft class took a large step back this year (and that the 2010 class took a step forward). You can see that the Redskins depth is moving in a positive direction overall at a lot of positions.

But that was my argument in favor of the Cousins pick on the day it was made. It was a depth pick, and it got crucified. Defensively, the Redskins actually have less depth now than they did in 2010, but at least they aren't a disaster in spite of their weaknesses. And the offense just put up 38 on a decent defensive team without it's starting quarterback and with the team's top receiving target on injured reserve.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

GTripp I love the insight and analysis you provide this forum.

But there will be no discussion regarding the Shanahan's in the off season even if we were to lose out from here. And your "no imperative to make a change at the top right now" statement is self-righteous BS. Your ego is exceeding your grasp of what's going on here.

IMHO

Agreed, but that's been the problem all along: a lack of accountability.

When you're winning games, accountability is something you talk about in a positive light. That's the difference now.

And this really isn't about me at all, but whatever.

[Chico23231]

bruce and Mike have done it the right way. Aside from a couple bumps {McNabb}, stuck to the draft and was patient in finding the right QBs to run his system. Anybody who thought this woulda been in first two years is certifiable insane. Glad we are finally reaping the benifits of a cohesive plan

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

bruce and Mike have done it the right way. Aside from a couple bumps {McNabb}, stuck to the draft and was patient in finding the right QBs to run his system. Anybody who thought this woulda been in first two years is certifiable insane. Glad we are finally reaping the benifits of a cohesive plan

In one of Mike's first presser's he stated this was a 5 year deal and thinking differently was foolish.........
Seems to be working out.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

bruce and Mike have done it the right way. Aside from a couple bumps {McNabb}, stuck to the draft and was patient in finding the right QBs to run his system. Anybody who thought this woulda been in first two years is certifiable insane. Glad we are finally reaping the benifits of a cohesive plan

I want to see them sustain it. If they can build up around Griffin without the benefit of any first round picks the next two years, then they've done a really good job.

Or if they win the Superbowl this year, I don't give a crap if they sustain it.

[RGIII]

Dude is looking like a genius right now.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

horribly weak arguement. Rookie QB, tough division, injuries, and a team that was bad last year and not expected to do shit. Mike is clearly in the convo, give me an effing break.

Wrong. Rookie QB we bet the farm on because he's arguably the most dynamic athlete in pro football and actually been better than anyone expected. We're actually one of the healthier teams right now, and have been remarkably healthy across the oline this season. And finally, the last two years have been atrocious (Zorn-line in wins) because we were rebuilding, right? We're a win now team. Next year we're likely to see defenses catch up to us a bit, most QBs experience some kind of sophomore slump, and again we're not in any position to add significant talent in the next two years UNLESS we bet the farm in the next decade lol.

Unless you think Mike has suddenly become a defensive expert, as in he took the scheming away from Haslett, I don't know how you even put Mike as the most improved coach on the team, let alone the league. Haslett, who seemed overwhelmed the first half of the season, has schemed his way back into respectability. Kyle, who flashed genius early, is putting whole games together now instead of just series and quarters.

Where Mike gets credit is not buckling under the intense pressure of being 3-6 when he's coaching a win now team. It's not a small thing IMO, takes some real brass.