Dr. Z explains why Skins will go 4-12 (sort of)

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

After being ''stuffed" during a drive, offensive teams had only a 27 percent success rate producing a first down."

well, its kind of hard to consider when the percentage rate of first downs without stuffs isn't listed :/

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Look I didn't say it wasn't a good D it was, like our was 2 years ago but it sure wasn't the third best like ours wasn't THE BEST of 2003 even thougth we surrender the least amount of points that year 14 point average.

The thing that I pointed out is that the NFL counts their top ranked defenses based on yards allowed and we know even though that's an important stat it doesn't tell the hole story.

The reality its that even thought your D was good last year it didn't face up with good offenses they only faced 5 teams on the top 15 in scoring offenses and they lost 5 out of the 6 games and surrender a 20.6 points average in those games to the 16.6 average you had the hole season.

The rest 10 teams didnt rack up over the top 20 scoring offese so you didnt face top socoring competition to test your Def. And to say that teams didn't knew they dind't had to score a lot of point to win the games that's just wack what do you think they don't do a GAMEPLAN before they face you.

They just woke up Sunday morning and say "hey lets pass all day long and see what happens". Come on each week they face you they new your offense couldn't score so after they score they just had to control the game clock and don't do stupid mistakes like TURNOVERS so they don't lose the game why risk it if you only need 16 points to beet your team.

Dont you think there's ANY relation to the 15 point average your offense had to the 16.6 point average your D allowed come on 8 teams under the to 20 scoring offenses and you could only win 4 out 10 of those games.

Your D was Good but it wasn't Great not when you can't beet or HOLD the best offenses out there. If your D dominates Chicago and SF this year you're going to say "WOW did you see that D ". Now if you hold KC, OAK and PHI to less than 16 points THEN you can say you have a great D.

why the hell do you keep dragging up the offense, the OFFENSE MADE THE DEFENSE WORSE, not better, they left them out there way longer than they should have had to be, and they gave the other team great field position. We're saying its good because it was good, consistantly... TO, who had OVER 130 yards in the SUPERBOWL, caught 2 for 22 yards against us. Moss had a crap performance too, the only WR to have any sort of success was chad johnson I believe.

And if you seriously believe Pro NFL teams didn't gameplan for us, you're either extremely delusional or just plain fuckign nuts. What do you think NFL teams do all week? play hopscotch?

[skinsguy]

D'Boyz is bringing up the offense, because he realizes his case concerning our defense is weak at best. Actually, I would say it's pretty idiotic, but I'll give him some credit for trying to be creative. Of course, his credibility is completely lost when he says, "I didn't say the defense was bad."

D'Boyz, I think you need to quit before you make a bigger fool out of yourself. I can understand if you're unable to give any credit to your biggest rivals - I'm sure it's tough, but if you're not disagreeing with us that the Redskins' defense isn't bad as what Dr. Z suggested, then what is your point? I suggest you're struggling to come up with an answer that is slightly intelligent without mentioning our offense.

More than likely, if Dallas had the #3 or even the #1 defense last year, rank would mean everything to you then.

[la73hof]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Here's his half-assed explanation:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...s.explanation/

4. REDSKINS (4-12)

I know this is a vicious prediction, and since Washington has some of the most dedicated e-mailers in the land, I expect to hear from an army of them next week, just as I did last year when I picked the Skins ... what ... 5-11 or something like that? Gregg Williams' defense shouldn't let this happen, but it was good last year, too, and so what? I think the Patrick Ramsey-Mark Brunell-Jason Campbell merry-go-round is a bad situation and the sign of a deeper problem -- namely that this team doesn't quite know what it's doing.

If turns out to be true, the trade for Capmbell turns out as bad as the Falcons (on draft day of '99) trading their '00 1st round pick to the Ravens for Reggie Kelly

The season before, the Falcons went to the SuperBowl and figured their '00 first round pick would be a low 1st rounder

The Falcons fell apart and the Ravens wound up with the 5th overall pick in the draft

That player was Jamal Lewis

Not saying its going to happen, but, is Jason Campbell woth a top 5 pick?

Time would tell...

[12thMan]

Exactly, time will tell. And as far as Dr. Zs quote, it's really not worth posting here. That is if you're trying to draw some type of analysis from him.

He said we have a merry-go-round situation at QB. Which says to me he has no idea what's going on here in D.C, and IMO I can discredit a lot more of what he has said about the Skins for '05.

[la73hof]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Exactly, time will tell. And as far as Dr. Zs quote, it's really not worth posting here. That is if you're trying to draw some type of analysis from him.

He said we have a merry-go-round situation at QB. Which says to me he has no idea what's going on here in D.C, and IMO I can discredit a lot more of what he has said about the Skins for '05.

For all the grief Bledsoe catches around here--which is understandable and to be expected...

Ramsey looks a lot like him

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by la73hof

For all the grief Bledsoe catches around here--which is understandable and to be expected...

Ramsey looks a lot like him

Bledsoe and Ramsey are similar enough to warrant such a comparison. Both Bledsoe and (to a lesser extent) Ramsey are dangerous if given good protection. However, I think our offensive line is far superior to the line that Dallas has put together; hence our Bledsoe-bashing.

[la73hof]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Bledsoe and Ramsey are similar enough to warrant such a comparison. Both Bledsoe and (to a lesser extent) Ramsey are dangerous if given good protection. However, I think our offensive line is far superior to the line that Dallas has put together; hence our Bledsoe-bashing.

I think you will be proven wrong...but we shall indeed see

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by That Guy

why the hell do you keep dragging up the offense, the OFFENSE MADE THE DEFENSE WORSE, not better, they left them out there way longer than they should have had to be, and they gave the other team great field position. We're saying its good because it was good, consistantly... TO, who had OVER 130 yards in the SUPERBOWL, caught 2 for 22 yards against us. Moss had a crap performance too, the only WR to have any sort of success was chad johnson I believe.

And if you seriously believe Pro NFL teams didn't gameplan for us, you're either extremely delusional or just plain fuckign nuts. What do you think NFL teams do all week? play hopscotch?

Man I said totally the opositte I said THAT TEAMS DID GAMEPLAN for you dad was refeard to some 1 tha tsaid tha the offense had nothing to do wit hand that teams didn't tried to control the game. I said taht becasue they new you didnt had a offense treath they didn't had to play cach up or try to rack up a lot o points they new that getting more than 2 TD was enough thats it and tryed not to risk giving away the ball.

Again I said your D was good very good and still is but it wasn't great and it wasn't the 3rd overall D because it didn't face a lot of top scoring offenses and the 1's they faced scored more then your average points so they could hold them back they could shot down some players but yo say owens and moss they both scored int their respective games and 66 yard ain't a crappy performance is average but not crap.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

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I'm just curious, who would you say had the best defenses in the league last year. Under no circumstances could any rational person say that our defense was not in the top 5 last year.

Also, I would like to know in what areas you think the Redskins defense of 2004 needed to improve.

Ok ramsey here it go the D that I believe rank better than Was.

#1 Bal even though they had a baaaad offense (they rank up as the 20) they played 9 games vs 7 top 15 offense scoring teams end held the moyoirty of them including IND (38point average) held to 20 and KC 32 point avr to 24 had 34 take aways alot of them resulting in TD and excelent field posision they held their opponets to a 16.8 point average and help their team to a 9-7 record thats wha ta great d does to a bad offense gives the m mroe wepons to win.

#2 Pitt they only faced 5 games vs top 15 offenses they held them to a small margin had 32 takeaways and you can't arguew that a lot of the 15 -1 season was because of the domination of their D they also had the lowest point per game allowed 15.7

#3 NE we knoe what this D does to opposing offense they fear playing vs this d just ask peyton lol and mcnabb to that matter they allowed only 16.2 per game had an amazing 36 takeaways and faced 7 top 15 offenses.

#4 Jacksonville also helped a subpar offense to a 9-7 season and most of the time kept them in the game or won the game for them the had a 17.5 average a 27 takeaways but played 11 games vs top 15 offenses and in 6 cases didnt allowed them more than 18 points. played with the 29th scoring offense.

#5 NYJ they are manly (and curtis) the reason the yreach the playoffs last year had 33 yake aways held hel teams to a 15.7 point average played 8 games vs top 15 offenses and i n4 cases held them for less that 17 points.

The other ones you can put also in the mix are PHI 16.2 average 28 takeawys played vs 5 top 15 offenses but we all know how that D stacks up during playoffs the y had prove it 4 years in a row, And Buffalo 17.8 point average but 36 take aways 1 of the reason that buff almost made a comeback late las t year (magahee included) faced 14 top 15 scoring offesense.

All of this D generated the tools to make their teams succesfull and even thought they didnt reach the playoff in some cases the had more then a .500 average and alot of them played in the AFC wich we know was 10 times better than the NFC last season and still held their grown.

Hope this help and what your team needs to be better is just generate more turnovers put your offense in more of an advantage position and held your grown vs TOP scoring offenses don't lose key players to injury. thats it.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Ok ramsey here it go the D that I believe rank better than Was.

#1 Bal even though they had a baaaad offense (they rank up as the 20) they played 9 games vs 7 top 15 offense scoring teams end held the moyoirty of them including IND (38point average) held to 20 and KC 32 point avr to 24 had 34 take aways alot of them resulting in TD and excelent field posision they held their opponets to a 16.8 point average and help their team to a 9-7 record thats wha ta great d does to a bad offense gives the m mroe wepons to win.

#2 Pitt they only faced 5 games vs top 15 offenses they held them to a small margin had 32 takeaways and you can't arguew that a lot of the 15 -1 season was because of the domination of their D they also had the lowest point per game allowed 15.7

#3 NE we knoe what this D does to opposing offense they fear playing vs this d just ask peyton lol and mcnabb to that matter they allowed only 16.2 per game had an amazing 36 takeaways and faced 7 top 15 offenses.

#4 Jacksonville also helped a subpar offense to a 9-7 season and most of the time kept them in the game or won the game for them the had a 17.5 average a 27 takeaways but played 11 games vs top 15 offenses and in 6 cases didnt allowed them more than 18 points. played with the 29th scoring offense.

#5 NYJ they are manly (and curtis) the reason the yreach the playoffs last year had 33 yake aways held hel teams to a 15.7 point average played 8 games vs top 15 offenses and i n4 cases held them for less that 17 points.

The other ones you can put also in the mix are PHI 16.2 average 28 takeawys played vs 5 top 15 offenses but we all know how that D stacks up during playoffs the y had prove it 4 years in a row, And Buffalo 17.8 point average but 36 take aways 1 of the reason that buff almost made a comeback late las t year (magahee included) faced 14 top 15 scoring offesense.

All of this D generated the tools to make their teams succesfull and even thought they didnt reach the playoff in some cases the had more then a .500 average and alot of them played in the AFC wich we know was 10 times better than the NFC last season and still held their grown.

Hope this help and what your team needs to be better is just generate more turnovers put your offense in more of an advantage position and held your grown vs TOP scoring offenses don't lose key players to injury. thats it.

once again you have proven your a jackass.
it's funny how each team you mentioned, with the exeption of the eagles, are from the afc.
lets start with the eagles, they averaged 26 points a game so i'd imagine a lot of their aponents fell behind and had to play catch up, therfore turning the ball over , making the eagles d look better than what they relly were, it's amazing how a high scoring offense helps a defense, isn't it?
the rest of the teams you mentioned are all from the afc, were as we all now, offenses from afc teams usually take more risks than nfc teams, plus new england had a pretty good offense,pittsburge had a pretty good offense and i'd think it would be safe to say that baltimore,buffalo,jacksonville and the jets all had a better offense than the skins.
every justification you spit out of your mouth for the skins d not being a true #3 defense is completely idiotic and no skins fan will give you any respectibility until you can write something that is credible.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by la73hof

For all the grief Bledsoe catches around here--which is understandable and to be expected...

Ramsey looks a lot like him

yeah, i said that early last year... if there's a well known QB that ramsey resembles thusfar, its bledsoe The hope is that we just haven't seen enough of him to make a final judgement yet... Bledsoe is getting more grief here because of the dallas O-line i think, but we'll have a good idea of how things are going to be by the end of the 2nd game.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Ok ramsey here it go the D that I believe rank better than Was.

#1 Bal even though they had a baaaad offense (they rank up as the 20) they played 9 games vs 7 top 15 offense scoring teams end held the moyoirty of them including IND (38point average) held to 20 and KC 32 point avr to 24 had 34 take aways alot of them resulting in TD and excelent field posision they held their opponets to a 16.8 point average and help their team to a 9-7 record thats wha ta great d does to a bad offense gives the m mroe wepons to win.

#2 Pitt they only faced 5 games vs top 15 offenses they held them to a small margin had 32 takeaways and you can't arguew that a lot of the 15 -1 season was because of the domination of their D they also had the lowest point per game allowed 15.7

#3 NE we knoe what this D does to opposing offense they fear playing vs this d just ask peyton lol and mcnabb to that matter they allowed only 16.2 per game had an amazing 36 takeaways and faced 7 top 15 offenses.

#4 Jacksonville also helped a subpar offense to a 9-7 season and most of the time kept them in the game or won the game for them the had a 17.5 average a 27 takeaways but played 11 games vs top 15 offenses and in 6 cases didnt allowed them more than 18 points. played with the 29th scoring offense.

#5 NYJ they are manly (and curtis) the reason the yreach the playoffs last year had 33 yake aways held hel teams to a 15.7 point average played 8 games vs top 15 offenses and i n4 cases held them for less that 17 points.

The other ones you can put also in the mix are PHI 16.2 average 28 takeawys played vs 5 top 15 offenses but we all know how that D stacks up during playoffs the y had prove it 4 years in a row, And Buffalo 17.8 point average but 36 take aways 1 of the reason that buff almost made a comeback late las t year (magahee included) faced 14 top 15 scoring offesense.

All of this D generated the tools to make their teams succesfull and even thought they didnt reach the playoff in some cases the had more then a .500 average and alot of them played in the AFC wich we know was 10 times better than the NFC last season and still held their grown.

Hope this help and what your team needs to be better is just generate more turnovers put your offense in more of an advantage position and held your grown vs TOP scoring offenses don't lose key players to injury. thats it.

all those teams had offenses that helped their D's off by keeping them off the field. 5minutes more a game and we still had less yardage and points then most of them. No NFL team goes into any game thinking they don't have to score. And most of our games were 3-7 points difference, meaning that other teams didn't exactly get the type of lead where they could be comfortable.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

once again you have proven your a jackass.
it's funny how each team you mentioned, with the exeption of the eagles, are from the afc.
lets start with the eagles, they averaged 26 points a game so i'd imagine a lot of their aponents fell behind and had to play catch up, therfore turning the ball over , making the eagles d look better than what they relly were, it's amazing how a high scoring offense helps a defense, isn't it?
the rest of the teams you mentioned are all from the afc, were as we all now, offenses from afc teams usually take more risks than nfc teams, plus new england had a pretty good offense,pittsburge had a pretty good offense and i'd think it would be safe to say that baltimore,buffalo,jacksonville and the jets all had a better offense than the skins.
every justification you spit out of your mouth for the skins d not being a true #3 defense is completely idiotic and no skins fan will give you any respectibility until you can write something that is credible.

So what you say is every other team in the league has an excuse to WHY they aren't better then Washinghton, it doesnt matter who you faced, it doesn't matter how good the other team was or bad, it doesn matter how predictible your offense was, so teams didn't played different when they faced you that they did vs the colts they did the same gameplan ok I get it now.
But hey if saying you had the 3rd best defenses just because, gets you trough the night and helps you justify a 6 -10 season man go for it.

As I said all along it was a very good D but not the third best.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by That Guy

all those teams had offenses that helped their D's off by keeping them off the field. 5minutes more a game and we still had less yardage and points then most of them. No NFL team goes into any game thinking they don't have to score. And most of our games were 3-7 points difference, meaning that other teams didn't exactly get the type of lead where they could be comfortable.

ok man basing on your points Jacksonville was the 29th best scoring offense or 2 spots above yours baltimore was 20th those ain't good offenses. Now you say you lost the moyority of your games for less then 7 point.

Lets see of 10 games you lost 7 where for 7 points or less, those games where NYG,DAL,CLE,BAL, CIN,PHI and DAL. if we compare the other teams Bal was 4 out 7 Buff 4 out 7 NYJ 4 out 6. the other lost so few game they aren't worth putting here. And based on your analysis hey Detroit lost 6 out the 10 for 7 or less points so that makes them based on that analysis a top 10 or top 5 Def I mean the lost 6 close games.

And of those 7 loses your team had for less than 7 points only 2 PHI and CIN where top 15 offense and only 2 BAL and PHI had winning record and 1 had .500 CIN the rest where bad offenses and buttom feeders in the league AND YES I'M SAYING DALLAS WAS A BOTTOM FEEDER.

So in conclusion in YOUR point of view Washington was the Third Best defense because it lost 7 games to close margins 4 of those games that they lost with this close margin where vs teams with the same or WORST record I Don't get it if your D was so good and it played vs this crapy team why could't you beat them.

They all had bad offense they had a WORST DEF according to your knowledge why couldn't you beet them but hey a least the game was close.

Man again total yard avergae doesn't say how good your D really was the weren't really challenged and they lost games to teams with same or worst records bad offenses and worst defenses.