T.J. Duckett Conspiracy

[onlydarksets]

Carrying it into the 3rd quarter of a winnable game is ridiculous...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I agree with you 100%. But, here is what Joe Bugel had to say about it:


"[In last Sunday's game against the Giants], we told our offensive football team before the game that we were going to throw the ball on our first 3rd-and-1 play because we were 100 percent run on 3rd-and-1 going into the game. They accepted that, and our first 3rd-and-1 play was in the third quarter.

"It turned out to be a big play because we didn't make it. It was a short pass to Chris Cooley. I'll tell you what, [the Giants] must have heard the play in the huddle because they played that pass really well.
"As coaches, you can't second-guess that call. You can't what-if it. Our players didn't second-guess it, either. I think, when you ask offensive linemen, they always want to run on 3rd-and-1. We told them we were going to take a shot on this pass play on 3rd-and-1, and we didn't make it. So be it.

Personally I think that is ridiculous to make that decision before the game. In my opinion you have to see how the flow of the game is going, how successful have we been running so far, etc. Dumb dumb dumb. I mean I can see scripting the first series of the game or whatever, but to make the decision to pass on the first 3rd and 1 before the game even starts is ridiculous.

But if it worked we wouldn't be saying jack right now.

That's how things go, you're not going to make the right call 100% of the time. You win some, you lose some. If it works it's a genius call, if it fails then it's a disaster.

I'd guarantee you that ALOT of calls/decisions are made before the game. That 3rd and 1 call was obviously a part of the 3rd down package of the game plan. That's why teams game plan and scheme. I'm sure that defensively, the Giants KNEW that we have run 100% of the time on 3rd and 1.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

But if it worked we wouldn't be saying jack right now.

That's how things go, you're not going to make the right call 100% of the time. You win some, you lose some. If it works it's a genius call, if it fails then it's a disaster.

I'd guarantee you that ALOT of calls/decisions are made before the game. That 3rd and 1 call was obviously a part of the 3rd down package of the game plan. That's why teams game plan and scheme. I'm sure that defensively, the Giants KNEW that we have run 100% of the time on 3rd and 1.

That's fine in the first quarter, maybe even the second. But to say, we're not even going to consider how the Gyants' D has actually been playing, or what has worked on offense today, is ridiculous.

Now, if Buges had said, "That was our plan, but we decided at the time that passing on this 3rd down play was the best decision", I'm not going to second guess that. What I do second guess is making that decision for a play in the 3rd quarter before the game even starts.

[Hog1]

Well guys give Bugel a call. I am...........sure you could teach him quite a bit. Next give Edison a shout out about his shit that didn't work

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

But if it worked we wouldn't be saying jack right now.

That's how things go, you're not going to make the right call 100% of the time. You win some, you lose some. If it works it's a genius call, if it fails then it's a disaster.

I'd guarantee you that ALOT of calls/decisions are made before the game. That 3rd and 1 call was obviously a part of the 3rd down package of the game plan. That's why teams game plan and scheme. I'm sure that defensively, the Giants KNEW that we have run 100% of the time on 3rd and 1.

True, but sometimes, especially back when Gibbs was first coaching, teams knew what was coming, and their goal was to stop it. You'd think that Brunell could have come out of the huddle with a t-shirt on saying, "We're running it up the middle." and the Giants wouldn't have been able to stop it.

[Rexi]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What I would like is for Campbell to play in NFL Europe next spring

I think sending Campbell to Europe would be a horrible move. The amount of experience he would get would be minimal and he would probably be protected by bad offensive linemen. Also he would miss some of the offseason drills where a lot of offensive can chemistry be built. NFLE is for players on the bubble who are struggling to make an NFL roster, no place for JC right now.

[Longtimefan]

I just finished watching the Redskins Report with George Michael, Sonny Jurgensen, John Riggins,and Michael Wilbon, again they stated the same thing they did last week. The Redskins traded for Duckett because Philadelphia was interested in him, and the didn't want to see him go to Philly. There must be some substance to it because they were all in agreement which to me means they all heard the same thing. Now if I'm Duckett, I wouldn't be pleased with a move like that at all. The Redskins have parked him in the neighbor's garage and appear to have no interest in playing him. JG has a different excuse each week as to why he will not be playing. His value is plumeting because he'll be a free agent at years end with no opportunity to play and increase his value. Talk about a conspiracy, maybe that is their plan, to stunt his growth so they won't have to give up any more than they had origionally planed with "hopes" of signing him to a new contract of lesser value than he would have recieved had he been able to showcase his talents so other teams could get a better look at what he could do. As I said before, this trade remains a complete mystery to me.

[vaoutlaws2006]

Wonder why we have no depth? We keep trading picks for guys with limited roles. Is this any way to build a long-term winner? I love how New England and Philly stockpile draft picks, and build a team through the draft first and fill the few remaining holes with free agency. I call that the "anti-Danny" approach to running a football team. I hope that Gibbs and The Danny can win consistently with their approach, but I won't hold my breath on that.[/quote]


"anti-danny" approach. someone he sees it for the way it is. we will pay a steep price for all of these trades down the road. It will come back and bite us in the ass again. Let me remind everyone once again of the 2000 season. This all seems eerily familiar. Coming off a playoff season we added a bunch of free agents....remember we won a playoff game in 99 and then added a bunch of free agents and we didnt make the playoffs. Fast forward to now. Won a playoff game and added a bunch of free agents and look where we are now. Too damn similar.