New coaches who?

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

F that. Fire VC and bring in a Personnel Manager.

Please for the love of god.

[SBXVII]

Do you think DS is smiling in his bed tonight? Thinking ...I wanted Fassel and the fans didn't. ....I tried to get Fassel a second time and the fans didn't want him, I'll give Zorn till the break and by then the fans will want Fassel.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Do you think DS is smiling in his bed tonight? Thinking ...I wanted Fassel and the fans didn't. ....I tried to get Fassel a second time and the fans didn't want him, I'll give Zorn till the break and by then the fans will want Fassel.

There is no positive way to spin this as Dan Snyder. If he wanted him so bad why didn't get secure him? Also Fassel would still have to be dealing with the same patch-work coaching staff as Zorn would have. That situation is not going to be successful for any coach.

I don't know if this is new to DS or anyone else but, it is customary that when you hire a head coach for your team, you allow him to fill out his own coaching ranks...strange, I know but that is traditionally how it's done.

At the end of the day if DS wants to continue playing fantasy football owner it going to be obvious to fans as to who is responsible.

[tootergray34]

seriously...a new defense...don't you guys feel like our opposing teams just convert 3rd downs no matter WHAT the yardage is? god it is so f'n frustrating to watch. Like, we'll see 2 semi decent plays then on third down somebody will just get torched...I can't stand it. What bothers me the most is that they look like they don't even care. It drives me insane as a guy who f'n hates losing. And when I see those guys that don't care it just makes me hate them even more. We need to package Campbell and Portis for draft picks and just reload the OLine, that's our only shot. Draft Javhid Best and load up on the line.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Green1

If Zorn is fired who would you get to replace him? He are my top guys: Cowher, Holmgren, Marriucci, Gruden, Mike Shanahan, Tony Dungy.

I'm not ready for a coaching change. Neither one of those coaches could come in and take this team to the Superbowl any faster than Zorn will. I definitely understand everyone's frustration, hell I'm very frustrated. I wouldn't let myself believe that the Redskins would actually lose that game last night and it still hasn't really sunk in...

The point I wanted to make is, you don't hire a head coach and expect everything to just meld immediately, and have chemistry right away, and be a perennial playoff contender from the get go. I know that is what all of us want, but none of those coaches you mentioned took their team to the Superbowl in their first two seasons. Most it took 5-6 or more.

With all the changes to schemes and philosophies, it's no wonder this team is still sort of lost and trying to find itself and establish an identity.

Hey, I'm not happy with the results so far. BUT, I do know that this team took the Giants to the wire on the road in game one. I know the offense is moving the ball down the field with regularity. I also know there have been a lot of mistakes, some poor execution at times, and yes, even a bad play call here and there (although hindsight is always 20/20). All signs of a team struggling to find itself. I think it will happen. I think they'll find themselves and get into a groove soon. It is three games down, thirteen to go. I'm not going to give up yet and start calling for heads, and I'm not going to boo next time they lose, or don't perform as good as I expected either. I'm just going to watch and cheer them on, and hope they turn this thing around starting with the Buccaneers.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm not ready for a coaching change. Neither one of those coaches could come in and take this team to the Superbowl any faster than Zorn will. I definitely understand everyone's frustration, hell I'm very frustrated. I wouldn't let myself believe that the Redskins would actually lose that game last night and it still hasn't really sunk in...

The point I wanted to make is, you don't hire a head coach and expect everything to just meld immediately, and have chemistry right away, and be a perennial playoff contender from the get go. I know that is what all of us want, but none of those coaches you mentioned took their team to the Superbowl in their first two seasons. Most it took 5-6 or more.

With all the changes to schemes and philosophies, it's no wonder this team is still sort of lost and trying to find itself and establish an identity.

Hey, I'm not happy with the results so far. BUT, I do know that this team took the Giants to the wire on the road in game one. I know the offense is moving the ball down the field with regularity. I also know there have been a lot of mistakes, some poor execution at times, and yes, even a bad play call here and there (although hindsight is always 20/20). All signs of a team struggling to find itself. I think it will happen. I think they'll find themselves and get into a groove soon. It is three games down, thirteen to go. I'm not going to give up yet and start calling for heads, and I'm not going to boo next time they lose, or don't perform as good as I expected either. I'm just going to watch and cheer them on, and hope they turn this thing around starting with the Buccaneers.

Can you say Marty Schottenheimer. The Redskins vets were complaining about how tuff he was on them. They started out 0-5 and we finished 8-8, but Synder wanted the Old Ball Coach because he was a offensive genius. Well you know the rest. Coaches need 3 years to turn things around.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Can you say Marty Shotnheimer. The Redskins vets were complaining about how tuff he was on them. They started out 0-5 and we finished 8-8, but Synder wanted the Old Ball Coach because he was a offensive genius. Well you know the rest. Coaches need 3 years to turn things around.

I'd like to bring Schotty in as GM.

He'd make Snyder sign his "touch my team and cut me a check for the rest of my salary because you will have fired me" clause. If our GM has free reign from Snyder than we'll at least have a shot at being successful instead of in perpetual stuntted state.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Can you say Marty Schottenheimer. The Redskins vets were complaining about how tuff he was on them. They started out 0-5 and we finished 8-8, but Synder wanted the Old Ball Coach because he was a offensive genius. Well you know the rest. Coaches need 3 years to turn things around.

Dude this has been my way of thinking. If you can get DS to eat a little crow and bring in Marty as GM, then have the balls to bring in Brian Schottenheimer (currently an OC for the Jets) as HC, because BSchotty has proven himself with the Jets and has had a season with 2 WR's having 1,000 yrd seasons and 1 RB with a 1,000 yrd season. My only worry is if they tried to bring in Kurt Shottenheimer as DC. He has only been a LB's coach I believe and might be over his head trying to lead a whole defense, but his dad Marty was a defensive mind I think.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Can you say Marty Schottenheimer. The Redskins vets were complaining about how tuff he was on them. They started out 0-5 and we finished 8-8, but Synder wanted the Old Ball Coach because he was a offensive genius. Well you know the rest. Coaches need 3 years to turn things around.

Yet we're ready to replace Zorn after 19 games.

Hmmmm

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yet we're ready to replace Zorn after 19 games.

Hmmmm

There's more to the Marty story then him just being a coach going 8-8 and getting canned, vs Zorn and his 19 games and everyone wanting to can him.

Marty came in hard nosed, he even admitted it after their team meeting, probably cause someone (DS, Cerrato) told him they need a hard nosed HC to come in and set the players straight. We didn't hear Marty was an ass in KC or in San Diego after us. Marty was canned cause he was not being the "yes man" DS wanted. Another issue was something that was in Marty's contract. and I thought Marty requested to also take on the GM duties or he would walk and DS said walk.

Now Marty has said he does not want a coaching job but would rather have an office job...ie GM. He and DS are supposedly still good friends so if this is true and DS could create a cutsie new title for Cerrato to only handle player contracts and the theme park then maybe Marty could be brought in as GM.

Hell at this point I would go for a couple of 14-2 seasons and missing the playoffs vs being a bottom feeder like it looks like we might be if things don't get corrected quick.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm not ready for a coaching change. Neither one of those coaches could come in and take this team to the Superbowl any faster than Zorn will. I definitely understand everyone's frustration, hell I'm very frustrated. I wouldn't let myself believe that the Redskins would actually lose that game last night and it still hasn't really sunk in...

The point I wanted to make is, you don't hire a head coach and expect everything to just meld immediately, and have chemistry right away, and be a perennial playoff contender from the get go. I know that is what all of us want, but none of those coaches you mentioned took their team to the Superbowl in their first two seasons. Most it took 5-6 or more.

With all the changes to schemes and philosophies, it's no wonder this team is still sort of lost and trying to find itself and establish an identity.

Hey, I'm not happy with the results so far. BUT, I do know that this team took the Giants to the wire on the road in game one. I know the offense is moving the ball down the field with regularity. I also know there have been a lot of mistakes, some poor execution at times, and yes, even a bad play call here and there (although hindsight is always 20/20). All signs of a team struggling to find itself. I think it will happen. I think they'll find themselves and get into a groove soon. It is three games down, thirteen to go. I'm not going to give up yet and start calling for heads, and I'm not going to boo next time they lose, or don't perform as good as I expected either. I'm just going to watch and cheer them on, and hope they turn this thing around starting with the Buccaneers.

That's not how I remember it. The Giants dominated us. We scored a garbage touchdown in the final minutes for the desperation drive. The Giants were never threatened in that game.

It was far from "down to the wire" for the Giants.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

That's not how I remember it. The Giants dominated us. We scored a garbage touchdown in the final minutes for the desperation drive. The Giants were never threatened in that game.

It was far from "down to the wire" for the Giants.

Actually it was far from domination. The Skins held them to two field goals in the second half. Both teams scored a TD without their offense. Their overall stats were probably better, but when I say we took them to the wire, I mean it was a one score game, not to mention in their house. Just because the Skins scored in the last two minutes doesn't mean it was a garbage touchdown. Unless you think the G-men just let them score. That doesn't happen in this division in a close game like that.

[irish]

There isnt a coach out there that can get these losers to play with heart and passion.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by irish

There isnt a coach out there that can get these losers to play with heart and passion.

A revamped roster probably would help, not so much because we don't have any talent now, but our guys look really stale.. fresh hungry guys could make a difference.

Too bad Parcells signed for 4 years with MIA

[SmootSmack]

I wonder how Charlie Weis would do here as an offensive coordinator?