Return Of Lavar

[Daseal]

2) Trading Lavar is a financial impossibility. Trading him would hit our cap with $20 million in 2005. Just so you know, the team has only about $4-$5 million in room right now.

Please read through the post and find anywhere someone says trade him. Everyone saying that he is a bit over-rated has also said it's impossible to trade him, that is not what we were debating. We may have put hypothetical situations out, but those were laid out ahead of time!

SChneed: Though I feel Peirce plays the roll of field quarterback, I don't see him as a leader. I don't think he's the guy who finally got off the bench and all of a sudden in the locker room presence. I feel Smoot is the guy that gets people fired up, I feel he leads by example, and he's been a veteran starter for the team for time to come. Pierce is great in that MLB roll, I loved seeing him move Dlinemen around, telling people what to do. At one point Greg Williams said that he would get half way through a signal and Pierce would turn around and finish calling it because he knew the rest. That's a great MLB, no doubt. However, I don't feel that property makes a real leader that everyone rallies around. Those are just my thoughts.

FRPLG: LaVar overruns not because of his speed, by his lack of confidence. You can get him going with counter plays, reverses etc. If he studied more film and was less of a freelancer he'd make many more plays, in my opinion.

Matty, good post. It's partially contract and partially attitude for me. The contract, was bigger than he deserved in my eyes, but I also know he won't receive a majority of it because we'll have him restructure in 4-5 years. The 6 million he signed the contract without but wants now is silly to me, and I think he should give it up. I know 6 million is a lot, and if he had a leg to stand on I wouldn't complain. However, if you sign a contract without it, sorry. Looks like he also overran his contract negotiations. I've said many times LaVar will make a big play because he's gifted, but he will also make more mistakes than Marshall, which on a fast team like our defense isn't always THAT bad. He's great in coverage because he matches up with TEs well. We have the ability to drop ST, Washington, and Arrington into coverage on top tier TEs. If it's a smaller guy we can even put Springs. That gives us a lot of leeway as far as how to scheme for big name TEs like TG, Shockey, McMichael, Gates, etc. Like Offiss, our defense was already great last year, I think we allowed the lowest yards per play, either that or 2nd, which in my opinion is a better gauge than total yards. So the drop off between him and Marshall will be slim. Will I be glad to have him back, sure will. He's exciting to watch, no doubt. I don't hate Lavar, just some of his actions. I just think he gets too much press and too much credit, but seems to get down when we're losing and doesn't do his job as the face of our defense to get the guys riled up. Complaining about getting a say in personel decisions also infuriated me. He's a linebacker - not exactly FO material. Shutup and play is what Snyder shoulda told him.

Smoot has the ability to be a leader which is why a lot of people love him. I remember him getting ragged when he got used one game, and that will happen to every player. I was in on it! If Smoot received Bailey money, I'd agree. I don't think his talent equates to that, but I understand Smoot jockeying for position. He needs to make money. I feel the club should find a way to accomidate him as long as it doesn't deystroy the cap. Smoot is more important to this scheme because of the 1 on 1 style we run. We need good corners. If our corners don't keep coverage. We're screwed!

[offiss]

Matty you pretty much summed up my feeling's on Lavar we are paying him way to much money for what he bring's to the field, if he was paid like an average LB or there about's I would be fine, but to blow our cap out of the water for any LB other than lawerence Taylor is dumb on management's part, but if you except that kind of contract you better be able to justify it with your play and he never has. As for Smoot I have said more than once that he's asking for to much money and all his antic's right now are just about trying to leverage the fan support into a bigger deal, I don't feel he will do better on the open market than the deal we offered, even if he recieved an offer close it won't be that much of a difference to make him jump team's, I said it before I don't believe Smoot will be else where next year I just don't see other team's breaking the bank for him I think we have been very generous with our offer and I believe he really want's to be in DC.

As for Lavar I am hoping he can justify that contract with his play but he will need a monster year to justify a monster contract.

[wolfeskins]

[QUOTE=offiss]Matty you pretty much summed up my feeling's on Lavar we are paying him way to much money for what he bring's to the field, if he was paid like an average LB or there about's I would be fine, but to blow our cap out of the water for any LB other than lawerence Taylor is dumb on management's part, but if you except that kind of contract you better be able to justify it with your play and he never has.




when did lavar sign that contract ? what is the amount of money he will cost the skins against the cap, year by year, until the end of his contract ?

[dirtbag2112]

WOW...I've created a monster.

[BigSKINBauer]

Lavar makes plays for hell sure everyone on this defense has gotten better or has been able to show their true talent for example Bowen is a good compareson we don't know if Bowen just all of a sudden became amazing because we only saw that one game but I do remember in the preseason Lavar had a similar game against the Falcons, He forced that fumble on Vick and actually sacked that guy who broke 2 nice breaks in the Pro Bowl. Lavar showed us that he fit well he didn't overpersue Vick at all he did this repetevly in the first quarter of that game and he and springs blitzing along with Bowen showing blitz led us to have a 24-0 lead against possibley the second best team in the NFC. All I'm saying is that it is quite possible that Lavar has gotten better just has most of our team I mean Smoot I always felt was good but I think he has proven it, also Bowen seemed better and I think we could hope the same of LAVAR. Springs once again put himself back with the big dogs in the leage and Griffin is showing his true potential. I just think Williams finds players strengths and then expliots them and if we had Lavar back we would be MUCH MUCH better due to his speed on blitzes, we blitz alot during that first game with Bowen and Arrington but as the season progressed we saw less elaborate blitzes. I just think that we should talk about how overrated a player is just because he hadn't been able to prove himself.

BOTTOM LINE I TRAILED OFF- WITHOUT WILLIAMS OUR DEFENCE PROLLY WOULDN'T BE SO GOOD AND IF WE WERE TO SUCK AND ARRINGTON WAS OUT YOU ALL WOULD BE COUNTING THE DAYS TO SEE ARRINGTON COME BACK. IT FEELS LIKE MANY OF YOU FEEL THAT WE DON'T NEED HIM OR HE IS OVERRATED AND OTHER PLAYERS ARE BETTER BECAUSE WE WERE SO GOOD AND YOU DON'T REMEMBER HIM BEING AS GOOD. I UNDERSTAND COMPLETLY BUT I THINK IT IS FAIR TO SAY SEEING THAT EVERYONE ELSE IMPROVED THAT HE WOULD TO, I DON'T THINK HE SPENDS ALL OF HIS TIME THINKING ABOUT 6 MILLION DOLLARS....... THATS WHAT SMOOT DOES. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALL BELIEVE THAT HE DOESN'T CONCETRATE ON THE COMING GAME AND DOESN'T LOOK AT FILM, IF YOU HAVE REASONING PLEASE TELL ME I AM WILLING TO HEAR IT I AM NOT JUST DESMISSING IT

BIGSKINBAUER OUT
WATCH 24 TONIGHT

[Daseal]

From what I was able to understand from your post you're basing one good PRESEASON performance and judging him by that.

Stop judging anything by pre-season. Otherwise the 2nd year in Spurriers reign we would have been Super Bowl Champs.

[wolfeskins]

what he is saying is that every player who played on the skins defense this past year played better than they ever have before , they all improved. it is fair to say lavar would have improved just as well. and he was already the best defensive player on the team.

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

what he is saying is that every player who played on the skins defense this past year played better than they ever have before , they all improved. it is fair to say lavar would have improved just as well. and he was already the best defensive player on the team.

Thankyou wolf you just summed up in 60 words what I couldn't in a couple hundred!

[Daseal]

BigSKINBauer - your capital letters gets really annoying. It's not necessary. We'll read your post without them. There's no need to make punctuation harsh on the eyes.

We made a lot of big changes to our defense. Springs, Taylor, Washington, Daniels, Griffen, etc. I'm not taking anything away from Greg Williams, he has done an amazing job everywhere he's gone, but I feel we added a lot of talent to our defense too. I think Offiss has said that we'd be better off with LaVar in. However his contract doesn't measure up to his play. He's the highest paid linebacker in sports, and I'd be curious for someone to ask Williams who he'd rather have. Takeo Spikes or Lavar Arrington, maybe I can remember that for Joe's camp interviews! Lavar isn't exactly a "team player" see Marvin Lewis's defense. He'd complain about getting in the 3 point stance, always wants to freelance, etc. He has some big attitude changes to be a top LB in the league as far as I'm concerned.

[SmootSmack]

In fairness to LaVar though, he did say last summer that he was wrong to question Marvin Lewis and understands now why he wanted him to play the way he did. So I think he has matured. Guess we'll find out soon enough

[offiss]

. I UNDERSTAND COMPLETLY BUT I THINK IT IS FAIR TO SAY SEEING THAT EVERYONE ELSE IMPROVED THAT HE WOULD TO, I DON'T THINK HE SPENDS ALL OF HIS TIME THINKING ABOUT 6 MILLION DOLLARS....... THATS WHAT SMOOT DOES.

BSB, that statement is so far off base it's almost not worthy of a reply but I will do so anyway, Lavar allowed his contract disagreement carry on during the season whether he was playing or not, Smoot on the other hand said nothing until the season was over, who put money before the job at hand? Lavar, I find it ironic that Lavar who sat out the whole year with a supposed 5 week injury did nothing but gripe, and Smoot who played through everything short of a broken bone, or a torn ligament, never made his pending free agency an issue until after the season was over. Let's face it Lavar hasen't stopped thinking about his 6 million dollar fantasy.

[BigSKINBauer]

OFFISS straight up are we better with lavar or not, I think you will answer yes but if not just give the reasons and even if you say yes do you think that we will improve significantly or not?

By the way this is a very fun thread

[offiss]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

OFFISS straight up are we better with lavar or not, I think you will answer yes but if not just give the reasons and even if you say yes do you think that we will improve significantly or not?

By the way this is a very fun thread

I say we are better off without Lavar as a team, reason? Instead of throwing 60 mil at a player who's job was more than adequately filled by an undrafted journeyman in Marshall and a promising young prospect in Clemon's, we could be using that money where we really need it offensive line and a big time reciever, straight up BSB do think we would be better with a top flight center and let's say Muhammad from Carolina at WR and probably another player as well, or Lavar, we already know our defense is stellar our offense is in need of help, which if it get's will only make our defense that much better by controlling the ball.

[BigSKINBauer]

offiss- Smoot one of my favorite players I don't want to see him go, he does bring the emotion and this year has proved that he can talk the smack and back it up. BUT he did talk about his contract during the season, many of us knew that Smoots last game may have been that Dallas game after the end of the game. Smoot also said something along the lines that him coming back was the decision of the front office and that he wanted to come back. He didn't talk alot about it but I definatly heard more FROM HIM during the season than I did after, most of the newspapers I read still use all the old quotes and just repeat the same stuff. As free agency is nearing i hope that he will sign, i won't blame him for trying for more money but i think that if we do not offer more he should sign with us. he spoke to bailey (so much for an unbiased source) and bailey said that he was unwanted when he was with the redskins. But bailey did say to find a team with both the money and the a good coaching staff and game. I think that many defensive players would love to play for a defense so that is so amazing and i can't think of much a better coaching staff in the league. I hope that smoot is JUST lobbing for extra cash and that would be fine I would most likely do the same but if he is truely willing to leave then I would have to say that I definiatly do not advocate what he is doing

[Daseal]

Of course Smoot will talk to Bailey. He was the guy who helped him out when he first got here, and being traded doesn't cut off friendships. I think Smoot wants to be here, but I think he should also worry about the cash. I feel the Redskins will make him a fair offer, but I can't blame a guy for shopping himself. It'll kill me if Dallas gets him though!