Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread

[hutch17]

I think they will use the non-exclusive or transition tag on him. That will cost less and is someone takes him we get two first round picks.

[FWD Skins]

Originally Posted by hutch17

I think they will use the non-exclusive or transition tag on him. That will cost less and is someone takes him we get two first round picks.

I want to hear more about this option.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by hutch17

I think they will use the non-exclusive or transition tag on him. That will cost less and is someone takes him we get two first round picks.

No. They'll use the exclusive Franchise tag and nothing else. The reason being is another team could devise a contract with a poison pill that we wouldn't be able to match if we wanted to. While I'm reserved about handing Kirk a shit ton of cash, I think it would be even more foolish to let him walk for two first rounders. Very foolish. Do you know how bad this team would have been if not for the QB play?

Originally Posted by FWD Skins

I want to hear more about this option.

No you don't because it's not an option.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I do not think he is bitter about the RG-3 situation. Lets face it. Griff was the number two pick, and he was the roy. He has to understand that you do not just give up on that after year one?
I think Kirk certainly plays with a chip on his shoulder, but that is a good thing.

I'm not saying he's bitter about the RG3 situation. However, once it was shown that Robert couldn't play so well, it was lil Danny that made Gruden start RG3 instead of having competition. (which is what Kirk wanted) Dan and Bruce have been very hesitant about Cousins, and he was nearly traded due to their hesitation. I think even SS has mention that Snyder wasn't a big fan of Cousins, which is probably why Cousins wants to stick it to him when it comes to this contract. Some guys want to play here, but it's obvious to Kirk that he doesn't give a shit, and has made it about the money and respect at this point. Danny and Bruce still aren't sold on him.

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[punch it in]

Who cares about anything other than Kirks play on the field, and how much money it warrants going forward.
That being said it is crazy that anyone thinks he has been anything other than 110% professional about the whole matter.
Also Colt is not the answer at all. If KC leaves, there better be a better option than Colt.

[skinsfaninok]

[NC_Skins]

This is a good breakdown from Cooley on Cousins play this year. (per game)






https://twitter.com/D_Wright_One/sta...86640511610881


The inconsistency is probably why they aren't sold on him entirely.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I'm just wondering how other QBs out there would compare on that Cooley scale? I bet a lot of Pro Bowlers would have similar ratings.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I'm just wondering how other QBs out there would compare on that Cooley scale? I bet a lot of Pro Bowlers would have similar ratings.

Profootball Focus had Cousins in their second highest ranking tier at number 8 overall.

Their top 10 QBs:

1. Brady
2. Matt Ryan (this is the guy no one has talked about)
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Andrew Luck
5. Russell Wilson
6. Derek Carr
7. Drew Brees
8. Cousins
9. Matt Stafford
10. Tyrod Taylor

[HTTR]

We should be able to critique (positive and negative) a player's performance, demeanor, and leadership skills without being called haters. We all agree that KC turned out to be the true NFL starter as between him and RG3. (And don't think he didn't know it and developed a little chip on his shoulder -- that's the mark of a competitor.)

But here we are, facing another decision point, trying to understand what our FO thinks and plans to do. It's a great discussion. Personally, I'm in the try to sign him at 20m camp, understanding that it might take 22-23. Easy to say, but what if he demands 26? That's the crux of this argument.

That 20-22 range says that there are legitimate reservations about KC, and those of you who say "trust the front office" on a whole range of personnel matters should also trust them here. They have some concerns about signing him at 25-27, and so should we. That doesn't make them or us haters.

Here are my concerns. I have no idea whether this is what the FO is thinking.

His skills as a QB, which are top notch, are not matched by that intangible passion-driven thing that the elite QBs have. KIrk was having a much better year than Cam when we played the Panthers. But Cam, even dinged, willed himself to a great performance while Kirk was so-so. Cam is anything but a "consummate professional," but I want Kirk to have some of what Cam has.

If you listen to Kirk's interviews on Grant and Danny after games, he is oddly dispassionate. I have always liked this about him -- he keeps his cool, he doesn't whine about other players, doesn't get down on himself, etc. But when you think about this in terms of leadership disposition, my radar is catching a little static. I wouldn't care about this much for any position other than QB.

This doesn't mean he isn't a worthy franchise QB. But it should concern us that the most important guy on the team, the biggest cap hit on the team, however talented, may not have that "FU, I'm taking this game over" in his gut. Garçon showed this on Sunday. Kirk did not.

I'm not a Kirk hater. But I'm old enough to remember legions of less talented Skins who thrived in the spotlight. Kirk's stats show that he has the talent, no argument there. I don't know if he has the steel to be truly elite. I'm willing to pay to find out -- the viable options are bleak -- but let's admit the risks involved.

[Buffalo Bob]

Just passing on what I heard on ESPN 980 radio just now. Riggins was on and not sure of who the other guys were, they all seem to agree that Cousins will go for the "money grab" and won't give the Redskins any discounts. For various reasons he doesn't feel appreciated, and thinks he was always better than RG3 and never should have sat behind him.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Just passing on what I heard on ESPN 980 radio just now. Riggins was on and not sure of who the other guys were, they all seem to agree that Cousins will go for the "money grab" and won't give the Redskins any discounts. For various reasons he doesn't feel appreciated, and thinks he was always better than RG3 and never should have sat behind him.

I just don't see Cousins being that contrite. You know, he was giving a pretty fair situation here by Gruden which allowed him to compete and win the job. Hello, that's life.

We hold the trump which is the franchise tag, he is gambling not taking the long term deal. Big time

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Just passing on what I heard on ESPN 980 radio just now. Riggins was on and not sure of who the other guys were, they all seem to agree that Cousins will go for the "money grab" and won't give the Redskins any discounts. For various reasons he doesn't feel appreciated, and thinks he was always better than RG3 and never should have sat behind him.

I don't expect discounts and any player is going to go for the money. Still, I feel Cousins lost a lot of bargaining chips by laying a turd in the biggest game of the year. IMO, he deserves Andy Dalton money. I hope the doesn't expect Russell Wilson money.

I just hopes he goes into this negotiation with a sense of a reality.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't expect discounts and any player is going to go for the money. Still, I feel Cousins lost a lot of bargaining chips by laying a turd in the biggest game of the year. IMO, he deserves Andy Dalton money. I hope the doesn't expect Russell Wilson money.

I just hopes he goes into this negotiation with a sense of a reality.

Dalton money will never get a deal done cause that contract was signed several years ago. Sometimes you have to overpay to keep a guy, just like some guys are underpaid.

[CrustyRedskin]

Here's 20+ reasons why I want the skins to resign Cousins. Its the economy (stability)stupid
1994 Heath Shuler 8 John Friesz 4 Gus Frerotte 2
1995 Gus Frerotte 11 Heath Shuler 5
1996 Gus Frerotte
1997 Gus Frerotte 13 Jeff Hostetler 3
1998 Trent Green 14 Gus Frerotte 2
1999 Brad Johnson
2000 Brad Johnson 11 Jeff George 5
2001 Tony Banks 14 Jeff George 2
2002 Shane Matthews 7 Patrick Ramsey 5 Danny Wuerffel 4
2003 Patrick Ramsey 11 Tim Hasselbeck 5
2004 Mark Brunell 9 Patrick Ramsey 7
2005 Mark Brunell 15 Patrick Ramsey 1
2006 Mark Brunell 9 Jason Campbell 7
2007 Jason Campbell 13 Todd Collins 3
2008 Jason Campbell
2009 Jason Campbell
2010 Donovan McNabb 13 Rex Grossman 3
2011 Rex Grossman 13 John Beck 3
2012 Robert Griffin 15
2013 Robert Griffin 13