Canadian Healthcare from a Canadian...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Officially the most asinine thing I've read this week.

I think what he said makes sense. If you think that's the most asinine thing on the board this week you haven't been reading very much.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think what he said makes sense. If you think that's the most asinine thing on the board this week you haven't been reading very much.

No, I stand by my statement. And that includes a lot of reading in general this week, not just The Warpath.

Hell, I've heard arguments that the 'Skins will beat the Pats 50-3 that are more cogent.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think what he said makes sense. If you think that's the most asinine thing on the board this week you haven't been reading very much.

Count me among the group that thinks that's the most ridiculous thing posted on this site in a long, loooong time.

[dmek25]

I'm just using TV as an example. what if the poor have a nice car? or nice clothes? do you guys think they should suffer without just for health care? whatever happened to scratching each others backs?

[724Skinsfan]

What are the statistics anyway regarding how much of a burden the poor are on our health care? It seems to me the people getting screwed are the ones that have family members who are suffering from terminal diseases or at least conditions that take a long time to treat. What's the % of people living in the ghetto that are suffering from various forms of cancer? Probably the same as middle class America. What's the cost of buying the drugs?

Forget the "Great American TV" debate. That's not the issue. If the cable company charges $65/month for it's services, what healthcare plan can a family buy that costs that little? I mean, you're probably looking at what $250-$400 a month for a family health care plan.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

What are the statistics anyway regarding how much of a burden the poor are on our health care? It seems to me the people getting screwed are the ones that have family members who are suffering from terminal diseases or at least conditions that take a long time to treat. What's the % of people living in the ghetto that are suffering from various forms of cancer? Probably the same as middle class America. What's the cost of buying the drugs?

Forget the "Great American TV" debate. That's not the issue. If the cable company charges $65/month for it's services, what healthcare plan can a family buy that costs that little? I mean, you're probably looking at what $250-$400 a month for a family health care plan.

My job has family healthcare at $139 per month for families. Sure it's not $65 for cable, but if you take $65 and subtract it from $139, that's $74. Now where else can a person cut costs? Stop drinking beer, stop smoking or doing dip, some that are into drugs should stop that etc. How about use less electricity? Shut off the TV and go to library and read some books?
How many people can you honestly think of do all those things and work hard for living???
There are always ways to cut costs.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by jsarno

My job has family healthcare at $139 per month for families. Sure it's not $65 for cable, but if you take $65 and subtract it from $139, that's $74. Now where else can a person cut costs? Stop drinking beer, stop smoking or doing dip, some that are into drugs should stop that etc. How about use less electricity? Shut off the TV and go to library and read some books?
How many people can you honestly think of do all those things and work hard for living???
There are always ways to cut costs.

The thing is, the issue of affordable health care isn't limited to those who put entertainment before health. Try being diabetic and trying to find affordable health care. Not every business provides a company health care plan, and those who do provide it charge double the amount that yours charges you for family coverage. For instance, family coverage for my place of business is over $300 a pay period.

While I disagree with a government based health care plan, I do believe families should be able to have their choice of affordable private insurance.

And to add, I also believe individuals who are born with diseases such as diabetes or other diseases shouldn't be penalized because of their reliance medication to stay alive.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

The thing is, the issue of affordable health care isn't limited to those who put entertainment before health. Try being diabetic and trying to find affordable health care. Not every business provides a company health care plan, and those who do provide it charge double the amount that yours charges you for family coverage. For instance, family coverage for my place of business is over $300 a pay period.

While I disagree with a government based health care plan, I do believe families should be able to have their choice of affordable private insurance.

And to add, I also believe individuals who are born with diseases such as diabetes or other diseases shouldn't be penalized because of their reliance medication to stay alive.

This I agree with to a point.

Because my employer is large, has a high number of employees, and is in the healthcare provider business, top-notch coverage is only $90 a paycheck. I'm in a very fortunate situation. I do agree that it's bullshit that somebody who works for a small company has to shell out $300, $500, or $700 a paycheck for the same coverage.

We're buying the same product, why should the price be so different.

So if there's one thing the government can do without harming the quality of care delivered, it's mandate that pricing be consistent for all walks of life. A PPO (great coverage) should cost X for everyone. A HMO (alright coverage) should cost Y for everyone. If you can't afford it, tough. But at least it's priced fairly that way.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

The thing is, the issue of affordable health care isn't limited to those who put entertainment before health. Try being diabetic and trying to find affordable health care. Not every business provides a company health care plan, and those who do provide it charge double the amount that yours charges you for family coverage. For instance, family coverage for my place of business is over $300 a pay period.

While I disagree with a government based health care plan, I do believe families should be able to have their choice of affordable private insurance.

And to add, I also believe individuals who are born with diseases such as diabetes or other diseases shouldn't be penalized because of their reliance medication to stay alive.

I am assuming a 2 pay period month, meaning you pay over $600 a month???? If that's the case, you need to seek private healthcare for a better quote. You might be able to get it cheaper than your company is providing.

I think the only way to actually fix these issues is to do away with insurances altogether. Have the gov. step in and drop the prices for surgeries etc. If there were companies fighting for our business the prices would be a lot less. There is no one out there to say "$300k for a 5 hour operation...are you kidding?" For some reason it's acceptable. Why should a routine doctor visit cost $150??? All for them to barely touch you, maybe give you a prescription (which costs even more money) and take your money.

Sorry to say, but the way the system is, it is fair for you to pay that much because you use it a whole lot more.
I NEVER go to the doctor, so why should I have to pay extra? I know it sucks for you, it REALLY sucks, but why should someone that is healthy pay the same amount than someone that is not?

I'd like to see a system kind of like property taxes. You have to pay once or twice a year, and you pay according to how much you use. So if you have a lot of prescriptions and you visit the doctor constantly, then you pay more. If not, then you pay nothing or very little.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dmek25

I'm just using TV as an example. what if the poor have a nice car? or nice clothes? do you guys think they should suffer without just for health care? whatever happened to scratching each others backs?

How are they scratching ours? By sucking off us? By not being responsible for their actions? How are they paying society back, or how will they pay society back?
This is simple, if they have a nice car...SELL IT. Get an average car that works and will take you from point A to point B.
A long time ago, I worked for Schwan's (hated that job)...for those that don't know, Schwan's is food company that sells their product door to door. The truck is a giant freezer. I would go to homes that had better cars than me, better homes than me, they dressed VERY well, and they would pay me with food stamps. That irritated the hell out of me.
We as a society do not preach self responsibility. It's a shame.

You question of "should they suffer without just for healthcare?" Well, if they want to gamble and not have healthcare, then that is THEIR GAMBLE. Not mine. No one has the responsibility to help someone else just because they worked harder to get where they are.

Everyone that thinks that you should, good for you. Take everyone that thinks your way, pool all your money together and help them. No one is stopping you. Why insist that others need to take their hard earned money to help those that don't want to help themselves? I don't actually see you developing an organization to help these people...stop pushing your beliefs on us that feel it's their responsibility, not ours. Assuming every democrat thought the way you did, then all of you should get together and pool your extra money. Hell, you should cut back all your expenses too just to pay for those that don't have healthcare. Good luck with that.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dmek25

I'm just using TV as an example. what if the poor have a nice car? or nice clothes? do you guys think they should suffer without just for health care? whatever happened to scratching each others backs?

Whether or not cable TV is to blame for our healthcare situation, and it's obviously not because this discussion was just meant to illustrate a point, your line of thinking is incredibly irresponsible.

I absolutely refuse to give one red cent to anyone who tells me they can't afford health insurance, but can afford cable TV, or a half decent car, or half decent clothes. Why should I scratch that person's back? They're not doing everything they can to help themselves, so why should I help them?

It's not much different from the bum on the street who begs you for a dollar so he can eat lunch, and then turns around and buys booze with it.

[djnemo65]

Finally, the intelligent debate on health care you can't get in the liberal media. Indeed, the problem with America's system isn't spiraling costs, it isn't lack of available coverage for the already ill, it isn't limited or no coverage for the poor, IT'S CABLE TV. Why aren't the politicians talking about this? If Joe 6 pack would just sell his truck and cancel cable our health problems would be solved!

And Jsarno, seriously, how are you going to say you have a site arguing how good McD's health coverage is and then post McDonald's own site? Seriously, I swear you are a troll sometimes laughing at my expense.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

And Jsarno, seriously, how are you going to say you have a site arguing how good McD's health coverage is and then post McDonald's own site? Seriously, I swear you are a troll sometimes laughing at my expense.

The point was to show what McDonalds offers. I was told by Matty that McD. has poor coverage, that link shows they have good coverage. Failing to see your point here.
I never said I had a site that shows how great McD's coverage is, just that because they are a big company they can offer good coverage. I proved my point with the link.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

The point was to show what McDonalds offers. I was told by Matty that McD. has poor coverage, that link shows they have good coverage. Failing to see your point here.
I never said I had a site that shows how great McD's coverage is, just that because they are a big company they can offer good coverage. I proved my point with the link.

I think people would have found your link less peculiar if you had just come right out and said "Here is a link to the official McDonald's site, showing the coverage they offer"

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

The point was to show what McDonalds offers. I was told by Matty that McD. has poor coverage, that link shows they have good coverage. Failing to see your point here.
I never said I had a site that shows how great McD's coverage is, just that because they are a big company they can offer good coverage. I proved my point with the link.

You didn't prove anything. What are the limits on those coverages? What are the co-pays? What does the employee pay out of pocket per pay period for these benefits? Are they available to all employees?