Predict Our Five Starters On the O-Line

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Williams(Brown)/Hicks,
Dockery/Hicks,
Rabach/E Williams,
M. Williams/Rinehart
Bushrod(Williams)/Heyer

I think Williams allows us to get Bushrod OR Brown from the Saints. If we get Brown, we start him at LT, and Williams at RT. If we get Bushrod than Williams starts at LT and Bushrod starts at RT

what makes bushrod an attractive option at RT? admittedly i never really focused on his play when i watched saints games this year but from what i read and his rankings, hes not much better than a heyer or jones.

i think he did well for being a backup plugged into a starting role but hes been with the saints for 3 years as a backup learning their system, had drew brees as his qb and a dynamic offense. putting up points and winning the SB may make every saints players efforts in 09 look probowl in rose colored retrospect.

with all that being said he ranked something like 68th overall for tackles last year. heyer and jones were 71 and 72.

idk about bushrod, local guy but still dont see him being anything more than quality depth, not a long term answer at either tackle spot.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

what makes bushrod an attractive option at RT? admittedly i never really focused on his play when i watched saints games this year but from what i read and his rankings, hes not much better than a heyer or jones.

i think he did well for being a backup plugged into a starting role but hes been with the saints for 3 years as a backup learning their system, had drew brees as his qb and a dynamic offense. putting up points and winning the SB may make every saints players efforts in 09 look probowl in rose colored retrospect.

with all that being said he ranked something like 68th overall for tackles last year. heyer and jones were 71 and 72.

idk about bushrod, local guy but still dont see him being anything more than quality depth, not a long term answer at either tackle spot.

umm, the grass is greener in New Orleans. My basic thinking is that Brown was better than Bushrod, but Bushrod was still better than anything we had, but I didn't really look deep at him.

[CRedskinsRule]

Our starting line could have 3 Williams on it at some point this year. Two more and we get a Royal Straight!

[doughtydoubter]

williams, dockery, rabach, hicks, heyer (where hes better)

i wouldnt mind signing flozel, or drafting another lineman in the 4th, but i think at this point with the drafting of "silverback" it allows us t focus on other areas of need...meaning john skelton of course

[MTK]

So I guess we can stop worrying about Kyle Shanahan's supreme confidence in our current OL group. The Williams pick shows they know what's up.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So I guess we can stop worrying about Kyle Shanahan's supreme confidence in our current OL group. The Williams pick shows they know what's up.

One thing about this group, they sure know how to keep a straight poker face! and blow a lot of smoke too.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So I guess we can stop worrying about Kyle Shanahan's supreme confidence in our current OL group. The Williams pick shows they know what's up.

They decieved me???
I feel so.....used

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So I guess we can stop worrying about Kyle Shanahan's supreme confidence in our current OL group. The Williams pick shows they know what's up.

Yep, lock it up for the next 10 years! This shows nothing!

haha

[Longtimefan]

I can just pencil in Williams instead of Okung now, and my origional group remain unchanged.

T. Williams L/T
D. Dockery L/G
C. Rabach C
M. Williams R/G
A. Hicks R/T

Subject to change between now and then.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I can just pencil in Williams instead of Okung now, and my origional group remain unchanged.

T. Williams L/T
D. Dockery L/G
C. Rabach C
M. Williams R/G
A. Hicks R/T

Subject to change between now and then.

Looking better. If we can upgrade one more position (either C, RG or RT), it'll look like a solid line.

[Dirtbag59]

Breakdown of all our O-Lineman

Trent Williams - Amazingly athletic, versatile prospect. Compares to....Ryan Clady. He will be a pleasant surprise this year for the people who didn't like this pick.

Derrick Dockery - Reported to have short area quickness and he's a solid NFL starter regardless of the scheme.

Dockery is one of the most consistent and durable players in the league. He has excellent size, strength and limited-area athleticism. He has great power and punch at the point of attack as a zone run-blocker, while having the strength and size to anchor versus interior bull rushers.

Casey Rabach - I personally like him in this scheme. He's smarter then most people give him credit for and he fits the athletic profile of a zone blocker.

Mike Williams - Putting a tackle at guard is always a plus when you want athleticism and from what I've heard about BMW is that he moves amazingly well for a big man. I would personally love it if he emerged as a starter.

Stephon Heyer - Apparently the Bronco's coaching staff fixed Clady's habit of bending at the waist so maybe they could help Heyer recover after his horrible year last year. It will also help if he's healthy. Of course keep in mind Heyer isn't nearly as athletic as Clady but as Shanahn said Heyer has "untapped potential." Weather he capitalizes on it or just said it to say it remains to be seen. I think our 4th round pick, along with who's available at Tackle when we pick will tell us a decent amount concerning how the coaches feel about Heyer.

Artis Hicks - Versatile strong lineman that apparently can play in a Zone blocking scheme in spite of the fact that he's pretty big.

He has decent initial pop off the line of scrimmage as a zone run-blocker and is best in a confined area. He uses his hands well to lock on but is inconsistent to stay connected to defenders. Hicks has average lateral agility and quickness, and gets exposed in space.

Chad Rinehart - Wildcard in the O-Line shuffle. Apparenlty he played well last year before getting injured so we'll see if he can live up to his potential this year. The fact that he played LT in college suggest he has the athleticism to succeed at Guard in the ZBS. At the same time I could easily see him getting cut.

Kory Lichtensteiger - I like his prospects of succeeding Rabach, especially if Rabach plays down to a lot of peoples expectations. He could also easily be in the mix to start at Guard.

Edwin Williams - I just want him, BMW, and Trent to start. Maybe Roydell Williams can get in at Reciever. However in all seriousness he seemed to generate a strong buzz in camp last year, but he's another guy I could see getting cut.

Conclusions:
We have a lot of people that have played Tackle, but not a whole lot of people I would be comfortable with playing Tackle for us. This includes BMW and Rinehart. Shawn Andrews seems to be catching some buzz around the fan base but that will likely be BMW 2.0 for us. We have some talent, now the only thing we need to find out is if Shanahan can experience the same success with "rejects" as he did in Denver.

Also right now I have 9 players listed as possible factors on the line. I think at max we carry 10, but thats pretty rare around the league to carry that many O-Lineman. Then again after last years walking wounded fiasco God knows we'll need all the help we can get.

[Pocket$ $traight]

First game of the season, I am going to go with:

LT: Adams/Jones/Gaither or J. Brown (Brown if I have to pick a guy now)
LG: Dock
C: Rabach
RG: Big Mike Williams
RT: T. Williams

I like what the Ravens did last year with Oher. They let a vet hold down LT and made Oher a RT at first. Of course our problem is that we don't have an established LT on the roster like the Ravens did.

We have to get another starting calibre Left Tackle on our team before the beginning of the year.

If Heyer is on the roster, he needs to be the third option for LT and second at RT at best...

[diehard]

I don't think Mike Williams is going to cut it. He's way too slow. I want Rinehart in the mix. He was highly regarded coming out...

Chad Rinehart

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by diehard

I don't think Mike Williams is going to cut it. He's way too slow. I want Rinehart in the mix. He was highly regarded coming out...

Chad Rinehart

The coaches seem to like him. I think BMW got downfield a couple of times to mangle someone last year. It seems to me that BMW is better in pass pro than Rinehart.

Rinehart wasn't as highly regarded as BMW. BMW was a top 10 pick.

I am confident that both guys along with Hicks will get a legitimate shot and the best guy will play.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

The coaches seem to like him. I think BMW got downfield a couple of times to mangle someone last year. It seems to me that BMW is better in pass pro than Rinehart.

Rinehart wasn't as highly regarded as BMW. BMW was a top 10 pick.

I am confident that both guys along with Hicks will get a legitimate shot and the best guy will play.

I agree, and think that the center of our line could be pretty good with the talent we have and the competition of camp.