Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Cowboys at Redskins)

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Our running game is AWFUL. It seems that we only run the same one or two plays and it is obviously not working. Someone needs to be held accountable for this, I thought Shanahan was famous for making any scrub QB a 1,000 yard rusher.

ZBS doesn't do very well when the OL has little time to gel together and "work as one". Our vet backups aren't too hot either.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

ZBS doesn't do very well when the OL has little time to gel together and "work as one". Our vet backups aren't too hot either.

Good point, when I saw 74 in there I was like 'who the hell is that.' then I heard the name on a bogus holding call, realized it was polumbus, didn't they sign him just a few weeks ago?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Our running game is AWFUL. It seems that we only run the same one or two plays and it is obviously not working. Someone needs to be held accountable for this, I thought Shanahan was famous for making any scrub QB a 1,000 yard rusher.

Our run game just reminds me too much of Spurrier, who only had a couple running plays he would call all game. It was almost as if they are sometimes thrown in their just to show the defense some balance, but the defense often seems to be playing for it.

In fairness, when it's worked, e.g. the Rams, Kyle went back to it & pounded the ball. Also, our wideouts just don't scare anyone, so everyone on D can play closer to the line. I also actually like the reverse, but not twice in a row!

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I can't remember who said it, but a few weeks back a defender from another team said they knew when the skins were running. Didn't it really seem that way yesterday too? I mean is it just coincidence that D linemen ended up in the backfield 10+ times?

I would say the jury is still out on Kyle, if Defenses are seeing on film tendencies of how he runs the ball, that's on Kyle. I think he has so few running plays that the D easily sees them & they must be doing something in formations that tips the defense.

Probably something they noticed in our personnel packages. Maybe it's the specific players he puts on the field or how we line up. Or even a subtlety in how players set before the snap.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I think a smackdown is in order for the Kyle Shanahan bashers because they think he should call more running plays. Of the 24 runs yesterday, 10 went for negative yardage. Just go back and look at the game again if you're not convinced. You want them to run the ball more, but they just can't. It's that simple, and yesterday proved it.

We have no run game. I'm baffled at the fans calling for more run plays when it gets stuffed all the time. It something is not working you have to switch to what is working. I'm not sure why the runs not working though but I'm thinking lack of talent on the OL, lack of differently designed run plays, or lack of coaching the guys on blocking technique. and I'm thinking the it's the blocking technique. Chris Foester really didn't stand out as a top notch OL coach and the 49ers really didn't make a hard push to keep him, if I'm not mistaken I think they wanted him gone.

Perhaps I'm making too much out of coaching. perhaps there is only 2 ways to block and all the OL coaches know how to teach them so I'm probably making a bad point of view but the team does not look like it's blocking like the Denver Bronco's back when MS was in Denver. Atleast not to me.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I think a smackdown is in order for the Kyle Shanahan bashers because they think he should call more running plays. Of the 24 runs yesterday, 10 went for negative yardage. Just go back and look at the game again if you're not convinced. You want them to run the ball more, but they just can't. It's that simple, and yesterday proved it.

Very true...

[sportscurmudgeon]

I think the biggest loser yeterday was DeAngelo Hall.

He was the defender on Bryant's TD catch in the first quarter. He was beaten so badly that Atogwe was actually the closest defender.

He could not run down Jason Witten on that 60-yard TD play.

He was stone-cold punked by DeMarco Murray on a running play that the Skins needed to stuff to stall a Cowboys' drive. Murray hit him and carried him about 5 yards until help arrived.

He gave up the catch to Bryant that set up the field goal that ended the game.

Even if he had played perfectly for the rest of the game - - and he did not - - he was the defender who made a difference on the plays that decided the game. Problem is that he made a difference in the wrong direction.

Oh well, he can take solace in the fact that he has that $25M guarantee for his contract...

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I think the biggest loser yeterday was DeAngelo Hall.

He was the defender on Bryant's TD catch in the first quarter. He was beaten so badly that Atogwe was actually the closest defender.

He could not run down Jason Witten on that 60-yard TD play.

He was stone-cold punked by DeMarco Murray on a running play that the Skins needed to stuff to stall a Cowboys' drive. Murray hit him and carried him about 5 yards until help arrived.

He gave up the catch to Bryant that set up the field goal that ended the game.

Even if he had played perfectly for the rest of the game - - and he did not - - he was the defender who made a difference on the plays that decided the game. Problem is that he made a difference in the wrong direction.

Oh well, he can take solace in the fact that he has that $25M guarantee for his contract...

He mentioned that the team should cut him if it was up to him, I say please do it quickly!!

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

He mentioned that the team should cut him if it was up to him, I say please do it quickly!!

"I can't point a finger at anybody but myself," he said. "The way I'm playing right now, they need to go cut me, because I'm definitely not worth what I'm getting. You can't slip. I'm the reason we lost the game. Second time in a row against Dallas. I'm definitely a little P.O.'d at myself."

DeAngelo Hall says that the Redskins should cut him - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I think the biggest loser yeterday was DeAngelo Hall.

He was the defender on Bryant's TD catch in the first quarter. He was beaten so badly that Atogwe was actually the closest defender.

He could not run down Jason Witten on that 60-yard TD play.

He was stone-cold punked by DeMarco Murray on a running play that the Skins needed to stuff to stall a Cowboys' drive. Murray hit him and carried him about 5 yards until help arrived.

He gave up the catch to Bryant that set up the field goal that ended the game.

Even if he had played perfectly for the rest of the game - - and he did not - - he was the defender who made a difference on the plays that decided the game. Problem is that he made a difference in the wrong direction.

Oh well, he can take solace in the fact that he has that $25M guarantee for his contract...

This just proves that you are a D.Hall "hatter"

Didn't run Whitten down when he had a 15 yard head start and basically out ran the other two guys who were closer to Whitten?

Didn't stop Murray when Murray already had the first down? Oh, you mean the CB didn't smash the RB in the face stone cold? The 230lbs running back? I get it now. The defensive line is suppose to clog the holes so the CB's can tackle the RB, not the LB's right? That's how the 3-4 works!!! Man, I was so wrong.

D. Hall was expecting Safety help with the TD... If you watch the film you will notice that Romo looks to the middle of the field which causes Otagwe to stutter and wasn't able to give the help over top. Although, Hall should of done a better job in coverage because he did have to do a speed turn instead of keeping his body square...

The 3rd and 15 play was just a good play by Romo.. Hall had Dez covered and then Romo extended the play and allowed Dez to get open.. Romo was in the backfield with the ball for almost 5 seconds. I'm sorry, but no CB in the league is going to cover Dez Bryant for 5 seconds..

Hall is not an Elite CB by any means, but all of you blaming him for some of these things is totally absurd. He made some great plays yesterday too... I don't see a "I hate Fletcher" post when he forced that fumble yesterday and started celebrating instead of going for the recovery. Shit happens.

Dez Bryant is a stud and he's going to be catching footballs against us for another decade so get used to it. He's caught passes against Revis, and many others this year for long yards and TD's...

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Bucket

This just proves that you are a D.Hall "hatter"

Didn't run Whitten down when he had a 15 yard head start and basically out ran the other two guys who were closer to Whitten?

Didn't stop Murray when Murray already had the first down? Oh, you mean the CB didn't smash the RB in the face stone cold? The 230lbs running back? I get it now. The defensive line is suppose to clog the holes so the CB's can tackle the RB, not the LB's right? That's how the 3-4 works!!! Man, I was so wrong.

D. Hall was expecting Safety help with the TD... If you watch the film you will notice that Romo looks to the middle of the field which causes Otagwe to stutter and wasn't able to give the help over top. Although, Hall should of done a better job in coverage because he did have to do a speed turn instead of keeping his body square...

The 3rd and 15 play was just a good play by Romo.. Hall had Dez covered and then Romo extended the play and allowed Dez to get open.. Romo was in the backfield with the ball for almost 5 seconds. I'm sorry, but no CB in the league is going to cover Dez Bryant for 5 seconds..

Hall is not an Elite CB by any means, but all of you blaming him for some of these things is totally absurd. He made some great plays yesterday too... I don't see a "I hate Fletcher" post when he forced that fumble yesterday and started celebrating instead of going for the recovery. Shit happens.

Dez Bryant is a stud and he's going to be catching footballs against us for another decade so get used to it. He's caught passes against Revis, and many others this year for long yards and TD's...

Never did I say the Redskins should cut DeAngelo Hall. For the record, they would be crazy to cut him because he is, in fact, the best CB they have.

I do not "hat" - - or hate - - DeAngelo Hall any more than I "hat" the guy at the local Starbucks who takes my order. "Hatting" is reserved for people that I personally know are evil or for people I do not kno who do really heinous things like molest children.

You can defend Hall's play yesterday; he was the best CB the Skins had on the field. The fact is that the important plays that I outlined in my post all involved him and all involved him being unsuccessful. That fact does not change even if you go and watch the game a second or a third time.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I think the biggest loser yeterday was DeAngelo Hall.

He was the defender on Bryant's TD catch in the first quarter. He was beaten so badly that Atogwe was actually the closest defender.

He could not run down Jason Witten on that 60-yard TD play.

He was stone-cold punked by DeMarco Murray on a running play that the Skins needed to stuff to stall a Cowboys' drive. Murray hit him and carried him about 5 yards until help arrived.

He gave up the catch to Bryant that set up the field goal that ended the game.

Even if he had played perfectly for the rest of the game - - and he did not - - he was the defender who made a difference on the plays that decided the game. Problem is that he made a difference in the wrong direction.

Oh well, he can take solace in the fact that he has that $25M guarantee for his contract...

I just watched the highlights of the game and noticed that Hall was covering Robinson on that 7 yard TD pass in the 3rd quarter that tied the game at 17 each.

So he got torched by Witten, Bryant and Robinson in one game.

Esstenially, 21 of the 27 points the Cowboys scored were against Hall in coverage. Thats all 3 of Romo's TD's.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I just watched the highlights of the game and noticed that Hall was covering Robinson on that 7 yard TD pass in the 3rd quarter that tied the game at 17 each.

So he got torched by Witten, Bryant and Robinson in one game.

Esstenially, 21 of the 27 points the Cowboys scored were against Hall in coverage. Thats all 3 of Romo's TD's.

He wasn't covering Whitten or Robinson on those TDs, he came after them off of his man once the ball was in the air.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I just watched the highlights of the game and noticed that Hall was covering Robinson on that 7 yard TD pass in the 3rd quarter that tied the game at 17 each.

So he got torched by Witten, Bryant and Robinson in one game.

Esstenially, 21 of the 27 points the Cowboys scored were against Hall in coverage. Thats all 3 of Romo's TD's.

Hall was only covering Bryant. I don't know about the Witten TD, but in the Robinson TD, Wilson was the one covering him not Hall. If you see the play, you will notice Wilson running behind Robinson trying to catch up to him. Romo did a good job of putting the ball in a spot where Robinson could catch it before Hall or Wilson got there (yeah I just threw up in my mouth a little).

The way I see it, both of our starting CBs gave up a TD each, and the entire secondary f'ed up with the Witten TD. In the end, the team is going to need to figure out how to make the secondary work or see what changes in players AND scheme need to happen to make this unit successful next season.

[hooskins]

Gano should've made one of those two FGs. But at the same time, get in better field position.