Should Mike Shanahan Be Canonized?

[GTripp0012]

Those numbers are accurate, yes.

[JoeRedskin]

Morris
Forbath
Kerrigan
Riley
Jenkins
Robinson
Davis
Garcon

You're working too hard Gtripp and moving into the realm of the obtuse.

[GTripp0012]

So, wait, I'm confused: are all 32 teams in a youth movement because they employ players who are young? Or should we do this by something more objective?

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

So, wait, I'm confused: are all 32 teams in a youth movement because they employ players who are young? Or should we do this by something more objective?

By stating that Griffin was the youth movement you implied that Griffin was the only young player on the skins, but the numbers would prove that to be false.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by donofriose

By stating that Griffin was the youth movement you implied that Griffin was the only young player on the skins, but the numbers would prove that to be false.

No. I never implied anything like that.

Griffin is the youngest starting quarterback in the league. But that's also the only position on the Skins where we are measurably younger than everyone else in the league. But when you considered that we traded future draft picks for that one player...then it's not a stretch to point out the absurdity of calling one player a youth movement.

It's fair to say that the Shanahan-Redskins have been youth-conscious. But to suggest they are actually young goes against the numbers.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

No. I never implied anything like that.

Griffin is the youngest starting quarterback in the league. But that's also the only position on the Skins where we are measurably younger than everyone else in the league. But when you considered that we traded future draft picks for that one player...then it's not a stretch to point out the absurdity of calling one player a youth movement.

It's fair to say that the Shanahan-Redskins have been youth-conscious. But to suggest they are actually young goes against the numbers.

"Here's the youth movement: Griffin is 22. That's it. That's the youth."

- That is what you stated in your previous post. We are also young at RB, TE (we signed cooley because Davis got injured more of a desperation move) and OLB. Yes we do still have a lot of older players but to say Griffin/quarterbacks is the only young depth chart we have I believe is inaccurate.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by donofriose

"Here's the youth movement: Griffin is 22. That's it. That's the youth."

- That is what you stated in your previous post. We are also young at RB, TE (we signed cooley because Davis got injured more of a desperation move) and OLB. Yes we do still have a lot of older players but to say Griffin/quarterbacks is the only young depth chart we have I believe is inaccurate.

Youth movement!

Quarterback is the spot on the field where we are measurably younger than the rest of the NFL. We're "not old" at a whole bunch of other places, but so is every team.

[Bushead]

My mind hurts.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

No. I never implied anything like that.

BS... that is exactly what you said.!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

BS... that is exactly what you said.!

Completely false.

[CRedskinsRule]

Also, If a team is making a youth movement, I think the positions you would like to fill are exactly what we have. QB, RB (since they age "faster" obviously), LT, and MLB. We have, Griffin(22), Morris(24), Williams(24) and Riley(24), all under contract and reasonably certain we will be able to resign them when they come up.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Also, If a team is making a youth movement, I think the positions you would like to fill are exactly what we have. QB, RB (since they age "faster" obviously), LT, and MLB. We have, Griffin(22), Morris(24), Williams(24) and Riley(24), all under contract and reasonably certain we will be able to resign them when they come up.

Well sure, adding key players at key positions through the draft is a major reason why we're enjoying this recent run of success.

I just don't understand why people think that the Redskins getting returns on their draft suddenly makes them unique or young when the numbers say otherwise.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well sure, adding key players at key positions through the draft is a major reason why we're enjoying this recent run of success.

I just don't understand why people think that the Redskins getting returns on their draft suddenly makes them unique or young when the numbers say otherwise.

It makes people think that we are using youth instead of relying on aged veterans (ie the over the hill gang, or the 2009 Skins) Hence the term youth movement. This isn't a complicated concept, and you sound more like a bitter old man who grudgingly gives ground rather than the guy who would at some points in the past write fairly interesting breakdowns of the games. You are arguing over where the Skins fall in this list:

1 Rams 25.32
2 Eagles 25.55
3 Browns 25.62
4 Vikings 25.64
5 Packers 25.65
6 Buccaneers 25.69
7 Seahawks 25.77
8 Chiefs 25.8
9 Patriots 25.81
10 Titans 25.85
11 Bengals 25.87
12 Panthers 25.91
13 Dolphins 25.91
14 Cowboys 26
15 Colts 26.02
16 Jaguars 26.06
17 Saints 26.34
18 Raiders 26.38
19 Giants 26.4
20 Ravens 26.4
21 Texans 26.42
22 Broncos 26.47
23 Redskins 26.53
24 Steelers 26.56
25 Bills 26.57
26 49ers 26.64
27 Bears 26.66
28 Cardinals 26.91
29 Lions 26.93
30 Falcons 26.98
31 Chargers 27.15

saying the move up was to be expected. Duh. But a youth movement isn't discussing team age, it's discussing the age of your starters, and how long you can reasonably expect the core to be around. We have a good youthful core, and can reasonably expect to add several in each of the next two drafts (not a first round pick, but 2-7th both years).

Bottomline: To argue or imply no youth movement is a far more shallow analysis than you are capable of.

[Bushead]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It makes people think that we are using youth instead of relying on aged veterans (ie the over the hill gang, or the 2009 Skins) Hence the term youth movement. This isn't a complicated concept, and you sound more like a bitter old man who grudgingly gives ground rather than the guy who would at some points in the past write fairly interesting breakdowns of the games. You are arguing over where the Skins fall in this list:

saying the move up was to be expected. Duh. But a youth movement isn't discussing team age, it's discussing the age of your starters, and how long you can reasonably expect the core to be around. We have a good youthful core, and can reasonably expect to add several in each of the next two drafts (not a first round pick, but 2-7th both years).

Bottomline: To argue or imply no youth movement is a far more shallow analysis than you are capable of.

I think that is a fair assessment.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It makes people think that we are using youth instead of relying on aged veterans (ie the over the hill gang, or the 2009 Skins) Hence the term youth movement. This isn't a complicated concept, and you sound more like a bitter old man who grudgingly gives ground rather than the guy who would at some points in the past write fairly interesting breakdowns of the games. You are arguing over where the Skins fall in this list:

saying the move up was to be expected. Duh. But a youth movement isn't discussing team age, it's discussing the age of your starters, and how long you can reasonably expect the core to be around. We have a good youthful core, and can reasonably expect to add several in each of the next two drafts (not a first round pick, but 2-7th both years).

Bottomline: To argue or imply no youth movement is a far more shallow analysis than you are capable of.

I always deal in the reality of the situation and if that's going to turn me into a bitter old man, then I can live with that. I know little of this "giving ground" you speak of though. I've been pretty consistent throughout this.