Time to clean house 1.0.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

And Christian ? And Apke ? They squander too many high picks.

Are we really giving up on Geron Christian that quickly? Man played like 2 games into his rookie year before he got hurt.

[Meks]

We all want change. We all want a culture change. The status quo just flat out hasn't been working, injuries or not. I do not have faith in Manuaky as a DC, at all. I have a tad more faith in Jay, if he gets help with playcalling and the offense in general. The biggest, and i mean BIGGEST concern here, is that the coaches have lost the locker room. And that's been apparent. We can sit here and say hey we almost had a chance if Alex didn't go down etc etc etc .... But if the guys don't wanna play here and don't respect the coaches, we're fucked. We're in a shitty situation, also apparent. But if the coaches (if they're all still here) through the off-season / mini camp / training camp can win back the players? We might just be mediocre again, instead of a dumpster fire. The only thing I can personally do now is just avoid giving this shit show too much more of my head space and emotion. Fuck the owner and management, I hope the coaches and players right the ship inspite of those fucking clowns. Maybe a good off-season can bring some cohesion and we'll see a team that gives a shit, maybe not. But here's to hoping.

[FrenchSkin]

I've been digesting all that happened, or rather didn't happen, the last couple of weeks.

And, while I've pretty much lost any hope and excitement for next season itself, I'm beginning to think it may very well be for the best on the long run.

Sounds crazy, I know, but hear me out.

I want change. Allen has made some shitty decisions, Jay is not a good leader, Manusky lost a talented defensive locker room... We won't win with these guys.

But, as many said, we need a whole culture change, this organisation has become toxic, no talented coach wants to come here right now.

From a timing standpoint, we're not in position to clean house now. Which good HC would want to come here now, with the QB/cap situation that we're in ? Which good DC would want to come here now, knowing Jay is probably gone next year or the year after that?

Whereas if you wait one season, you'll be in a much better QB/cap situation (either Alex is healthy and playing well, either you cut him post June 1st 2020, taking a 16M cap hit over 3 years and saving 56M over 3 years, net saving of 40M), and most importantly it sends a message that Dan Snyder is not going to fire everybody after 2 seasons anymore.

If we have a good offseason this year, then next year, a good HC can think "Heck, Jay Gruden was allowed 6 seasons, he didn't win a lot, but they gave him a chance. I think I can do better than him with this roster, this defense is young and talented, they've drafted well the past few years, building from the trenches, they have a young stud at RB... I think if I'm given a fair opportunity I could bring this team to the next level."

Next season is going to be deflating and frustrating, but I still think on the long run it's not as bad as it feels right now.

[Schneed10]

We will all eventually desperately cling to the notion that we were 6-3 until we got ravaged by injury. And Derrius Guice.

You're never as far away as you think.

But still, this whole offseason does show how inept the front office is. Quality coaches need a reason to come coach for you. If your HC is going into his make or break year, then you as the assistant can't count on being there longer than a year.

The notion that a front office can shape together a coaching staff is asinine. The reporting structure demands that the HC pick his staff, or the organization will dysfunction. If you don't like the assistant coaches that Jay has selected, then fire Jay. It should be his responsibility to pick the assistants, not the front office's.

[5superbowls3wins]

Read a rumor this morning that Marvin Lewis is in play...


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[Coff]

Originally Posted by 5superbowls3wins

Read a rumor this morning that Marvin Lewis is in play...

Until he’s not. And then we’ll go after Rex Ryan...

Redskins interviewing for defensive coordinators is basically this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CSALQn0u9z4

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by Coff

Until he’s not. And then we’ll go after Rex Ryan...



Redskins interviewing for defensive coordinators is basically this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CSALQn0u9z4

Very a Aprapoe!

The Redskins Front Office has gotten so bad that Hollywood could make a comedy horror move out of it!

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[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by kct1975

Very a Aprapoe!

The Redskins Front Office has gotten so bad that Hollywood could make a comedy horror move out of it!

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The video was quite funny... But I have to admit this word gave me a good laugh too.

Not at your expense, but I had to google it up to make sure, and it's a common misspelling of "Apropos", from french "À propos", which can mean "speaking of which" or "right on point", depending on context.
Again, not mocking anybody in particular but it sounds (and in this instance looks) so funny when french words are used in english... Aprapoe sounds like a Native American first name, doesn't it?

[Dlyne8r]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

The video was quite funny... But I have to admit this word gave me a good laugh too.

Not at your expense, but I had to google it up to make sure, and it's a common misspelling of "Apropos", from french "À propos", which can mean "speaking of which" or "right on point", depending on context.
Again, not mocking anybody in particular but it sounds (and in this instance looks) so funny when french words are used in english... Aprapoe sounds like a Native American first name, doesn't it?

Our new name...The Washington Aprapoes...what'd ya think?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 5superbowls3wins

Read a rumor this morning that Marvin Lewis is in play...


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A terrible mistake imo. Id keep Manusky over marvin lewis.

At this point, we should keep who we got in place and extend Tomsula. Go into the year with same guys...see if we can make some noise and if not, fire everyone next year. Set up the Org with brand new coaches and hopefully FO.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

A terrible mistake imo. Id keep Manusky over marvin lewis.

At this point, we should keep who we got in place and extend Tomsula. Go into the year with same guys...see if we can make some noise and if not, fire everyone next year. Set up the Org with brand new coaches and hopefully FO.

I agree, that's the point I was trying to make in my previous post: don't try to patch-fix it now, see what you can do with what you have and see if next year the situation is more appropriate for a real house cleaning.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I agree, that's the point I was trying to make in my previous post: don't try to patch-fix it now, see what you can do with what you have and see if next year the situation is more appropriate for a real house cleaning.

I hold a belief that things can change quickly with smart moves in personnel, but mitigating that change with us is coaching.

Offense

I don't believe in Jay Gruden's offense...the excuses for the passing game are stale. I truly don't believe he believes running the ball is the best course of action for the team...which is a failure as well. I would like whoever the O Cord is to take over playcalling from jay and have more input. If not, bring in a new consultant...Joe Deflippo, etc. to help run things

Defense

Simply put, Manusky hasn't gotten the best out the talent we have. We have decent positional coaches, that's not the problem. Our performance on 3rd down is terrible. I get angry when I see Kerrigan in coverage.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I hold a belief that things can change quickly with smart moves in personnel, but mitigating that change with us is coaching.

Offense

I don't believe in Jay Gruden's offense...the excuses for the passing game are stale. I truly don't believe he believes running the ball is the best course of action for the team...which is a failure as well. I would like whoever the O Cord is to take over playcalling from jay and have more input. If not, bring in a new consultant...Joe Deflippo, etc. to help run things

Defense

Simply put, Manusky hasn't gotten the best out the talent we have. We have decent positional coaches, that's not the problem. Our performance on 3rd down is terrible. I get angry when I see Kerrigan in coverage.

This as I previously just stated. I want change bad af from these two, especially manusky and def a playcalling OC.

[RedskinJake]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I hold a belief that things can change quickly with smart moves in personnel, but mitigating that change with us is coaching.

Offense

I don't believe in Jay Gruden's offense...the excuses for the passing game are stale. I truly don't believe he believes running the ball is the best course of action for the team...which is a failure as well. I would like whoever the O Cord is to take over playcalling from jay and have more input. If not, bring in a new consultant...Joe Deflippo, etc. to help run things

Defense

Simply put, Manusky hasn't gotten the best out the talent we have. We have decent positional coaches, that's not the problem. Our performance on 3rd down is terrible. I get angry when I see Kerrigan in coverage.

Can't remember exactly where I saw the breakdown (I think Pro Football Focus) but statistically, establishing the run isn't as important as many of us are convinced it is and in many cases the tunnel vision focus to do so hinders the offense as a whole. You want to keep defenses unsure of where the ball is going but you can do so with short passes, bubble screens etc. I like the attitude that comes with hard nosed football but statistically, average yards are what matters, not how you get them.

John Defilippo has been ineffective everywhere he's been other than Philly and I think that had more to do with Frank Reich. Manusky? I don't know.. at times I think he's better than he gets credit for and other times I think he's awful. My biggest gripe on both sides of the ball are the lack of preparation and in-game adjustments. Fix those two things and find an identity and culture and I think this ship gets righted fast.

[skinsfan69]

The best thing right now is for this team to win 2-3 games next year. That way everyone will get fired. I'm just not sure there would be anyone capable that could pick the next coach. They'd only pick someone that could get along, like a Gruden or Zorn type.