Rogers Ready to Move On

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not sure why we as fans always feel the need to put down another player when talking about one player.

I second that. Prove your points logically with vetted facts. Or, just give your opinion and present it as such. Trashing another player, who has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.....and who LIKES being in the B&G.....is low class at best.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If this is in reference to anything I've said, I'm sick and tired of people bashing Rogers, yet hail D. Hall as if he's some hero. Rogers is more consistent at the CB spot than Hall will ever be, yet he gets all the glamour because he has ONE good game, and picks up a random bouncing ball for a TD. (yet gives up the most TDs, yards, 1st downs, etc..)

I've said why I think Rogers needs to go, and it's based off of his attitude.

Not in reference to anything you said. Though Hall has had more than one good game...and even if it were just one, it's probably one more than Rogers

But I digress, I think the opinion of Hall is pretty mixed. However, if we must compare the fact is the one thing that Rogers simply doesn't do, the one thing that (in my opinion at least) keeps him from being the elite CB he wants to be paid as is that he doesn't catch the damn ball. And that is something Hall does do.

But I'd prefer to look at it regardless of Hall. Is Carlos Rogers' good enough and will he continue to be good enough to warrant a huge paycheck. In my opinion...no

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Not in reference to anything you said. Though Hall has had more than one good game...and even if it were just one, it's probably one more than Rogers

But I digress, I think the opinion of Hall is pretty mixed. However, if we must compare the fact is the one thing that Rogers simply doesn't do, the one thing that (in my opinion at least) keeps him from being the elite CB he wants to be paid as is that he doesn't catch the damn ball. And that is something Hall does do.

But I'd prefer to look at it regardless of Hall. Is Carlos Rogers' good enough and will he continue to be good enough to warrant a huge paycheck. In my opinion...no

I concur, but he's good enough to get an above avg. paycheck & I'd like to see him stay here w/one. Doesn't look like that will happen though.

[Longtimefan]

DeAngelo Hall and friend respond to Carlos Rogers - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I concur, but he's good enough to get an above avg. paycheck & I'd like to see him stay here w/one. Doesn't look like that will happen though.

He doesn't want above average, and that's his prerogative.

[firstdown]

Hall's coment to this was perfect. He might not be the best CB in the world but he has been a very stand up guy snse becoming a Skin.

Hall's Response

I was never focused on who was the #1 corner on our team. Just focused on tryna WIn Games! Hope all of my teammates feel the same way!....Definitely would trade all the personal rewards to bring a Championship back to DC and the Best Fans in the NFL!!...No player on our team or in the NFL for that matter can be successful w/ out the coaches and their teammates!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Hall's coment to this was perfect. He might not be the best CB in the world but he has been a very stand up guy snse becoming a Skin.

Hall's Response

I was never focused on who was the #1 corner on our team. Just focused on tryna WIn Games! Hope all of my teammates feel the same way!....Definitely would trade all the personal rewards to bring a Championship back to DC and the Best Fans in the NFL!!...No player on our team or in the NFL for that matter can be successful w/ out the coaches and their teammates!

I thought it was a good response as well. I know from what SS has told us that Rogers has been in some money troubles, but he really didn't need to say all of what he said. I'm sure there will be a market for him after Nnamdi. A team like the Lions could use help at corner.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Hall's coment to this was perfect. He might not be the best CB in the world but he has been a very stand up guy snse becoming a Skin.

Hall's Response

I was never focused on who was the #1 corner on our team. Just focused on tryna WIn Games! Hope all of my teammates feel the same way!....Definitely would trade all the personal rewards to bring a Championship back to DC and the Best Fans in the NFL!!...No player on our team or in the NFL for that matter can be successful w/ out the coaches and their teammates!

Great response...but maybe he has a bit of a short-term memory

Redskins Insider - DeAngelo Hall says he'll track opponent's top wideout

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Great response...but maybe he has a bit of a short-term memory

Redskins Insider - DeAngelo Hall says he'll track opponent's top wideout

...and that following week, he got smoked by a rookie QB and some scrub receivers from St. Louis. /facepalm

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

...and that following week, he got smoked by a rookie QB and some scrub receivers from St. Louis. /facepalm

Just like the whole team.

I don't get this obsession with b*tching about just one player.

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Great response...but maybe he has a bit of a short-term memory

Redskins Insider - DeAngelo Hall says he'll track opponent's top wideout

Yup, he needs to follow his own (recent) advice next season.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Great response...but maybe he has a bit of a short-term memory

Redskins Insider - DeAngelo Hall says he'll track opponent's top wideout

You'll always hear me say I pay little to no attention to what some guys say, I do however pay strict attention to what they do.

I vividly recall the incident your link references and it doesn't stop there.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Just like the whole team.

I don't get this obsession with b*tching about just one player.

Well, it basically was ONE player, who the week prior, is basically telling the coaches that you ****ed up by not putting me on the top WR, and pretty much throwing his teammates (reed/buchanon) under the bus. I expect that guy to come out and back up the talk that he's top notch, not get his ass roasted by sub-par Ram receivers and a rookie QB. For the record, I don't blame him solely for that loss because everybody was pretty much shitty in that game.

Hall is just another guy we need to move on from. He's part of the old Vinny regime that needs to go. Flashy FA guys that can't back up what they are being paid or what they are saying. I understand we can't at this time, but his time is coming.

I hope SirClintonPortis is right about our additions to the DL helping out D. Hall's game. I'm just glad Rogers is heading out the door. I think him quitting on the team to save himself (after he was cleared) for a contract totally turned me off on this guy. I just get a bit annoyed with so many people roasting the guy for dropping INTs and patting D. Hall. At least be consistent.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Well, it basically was ONE player, who the week prior, is basically telling the coaches that you ****ed up by not putting me on the top WR, and pretty much throwing his teammates (reed/buchanon) under the bus. I expect that guy to come out and back up the talk that he's top notch, not get his ass roasted by sub-par Ram receivers and a rookie QB. For the record, I don't blame him solely for that loss because everybody was pretty much shitty in that game.

Hall is just another guy we need to move on from. He's part of the old Vinny regime that needs to go. Flashy FA guys that can't back up what they are being paid or what they are saying. I understand we can't at this time, but his time is coming.

I hope SirClintonPortis is right about our additions to the DL helping out D. Hall's game. I'm just glad Rogers is heading out the door. I think him quitting on the team to save himself (after he was cleared) for a contract totally turned me off on this guy. I just get a bit annoyed with so many people roasting the guy for dropping INTs and patting D. Hall. At least be consistent.

I would rather, at this point, move on from both Hall and Rogers than try to pick which one is more "deserving" of top money. Hall is starting to get towards the expensive years in his contract, the ones that he'll never be able to back up in his play.

On the other hand, you could give Rogers top ten money and get a bargain for a couple of years, but you'd either have a lot of deadcap in 2013 or 2014 (right when any rebuilding project would be starting to pay dividends), or you'd have a corner making top money who no longer has the ability to run with no. 1 wideouts like Hakeem Nicks, Jeremy Maclin, and Dez Bryant. I think Rogers is going to be one of the best free agent signings of the offseason for some contender, but I don't think it makes a lot of sense to pay him now. Vinny should have extended him at age 27 and not paid Hall so much money. We wouldn't have had a bottom third defense last year if he did that.

I'd like to see Barnes at one corner next year and Buchanon back on a one/two year deal as the second corner.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Yeah, you're right, Hall did give up what could have been the game winner. However, I believe that play came after a Carlos Rogers dropped pick. An EASY pick that would have ended the game. Instead, him not catching it gave the Cowboys more shots at the end zone...but you're right, scoring the Skins' only touchdown totally didn't do anything for them in that one...Hall SUCKS!

I'm not going to sit here and act like Hall is a great player, but your blind hatred of him is really turning you into a broken record. Let me get this straight: you want to ditch the guy who won the team two games last year by scoring touchdowns/getting picks, says "this is my defense" and at least talks like he likes it in Washington and keep the guy who takes every chance he can to take shots at the team he plays for...that makes sense.

At the end of the day, they both have their deficiencies and neither one are all that good. Carlos can cover and Hall can change games when he's actually close enough to a receiver, or the football, to get a pick. Really, if they somehow melded into one player with Rogers' coverage skills and Hall's ability to catch and score once he has the ball they'd make a great corner. Instead, we have one who gambles too much and another who does a good job of coverage and breaking on the ball, he just can't catch it...unfortunately the latter never keeps his mouth shut and likes to lambaste his employer; I say let him walk.

I would point out that as we've trended away from good play to play pass defense and towards more big play based defense, the overall results have not improved any. It was Blache at first that wanted to build the defense around Hall. Hall wasn't any good in 2009, and in a lot of ways, he was worse in 2010, and we've never managed to sustain as a high turnover defense in part because none of the defensive backs, Hall, Landry, Rogers, or even linebackers (Fletcher/McIntosh) are consistent big play performers.

Rogers, I think, often gets lambasted for something that the Redskins as a group simply don't execute well enough at. DeAngelo Hall isn't a consistent big play performer. LaRon Landry hasn't been, although I hold out hope. Rocky McIntosh has just as many epic fails per opportunity as anyone in the league. People love Fletcher for his consistency, but he is as bad as anyone at screwing up the easy big play. Reed Doughty has the same issue.

I think it's unfortunate that Rogers gets a rap for not making enough easy plays. I don't think it's completely misguided to say that. He has a nice, long fail reel. And even at his peak, quarterbacks still threw fairly often at Rogers.

Problem is, letting Rogers walk isn't going to make this a big-play defense. You have to start tearing down the infrastructure: McIntosh, Hall, Doughty, Kareem Moore, and the like, and then I would hope that Landry develops into more than just a devastating hitter, and that Kevin Barnes can become more of a turnover guy than Hall ever was, and then that we can draft some guys to put around them. Because right now, we have a lot of defensive backs that just can't make a play when the team needs it.

[itvnetop]

Rogers is probably not this loud if Hall isn't getting paid like a top 5 corner. If we can all agree that both corners have serious flaws and are comparable (in terms of impact from the CB position), then it's logical as to why Rogers feels disrespected.

The problem for Rogers is that contracts are now offered by a different entity, but yet his perception will always be "Skins vs. me."