(Merged) Jason Campbell

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Because Ramsey is such an accomplished pro QB?
Ramsey is a slightly above average NFL QB. That is it.
Before the NFL, Ramsey played for for Tulane of the USA conference in college.
Look at Tulane's schedule and record during Ramseys tenure. Terrible. Ramsey's career NCAA and NFL win-loss record is terrible.
I really like Campbell. The jump (in speed) from the SEC to NFLl is not as great at the jump from Conference USA to NFL.
Ramsey in his fouth year is still trying to catch up to the NFL speed.

You can't judge a college QB by wins and loses, the teams are to unbalanced. how many QB's have unbelievable winninf records and don't even get drafted? To many!

Perhaps it's because he played in a college system under SS, and now an outdated system under Gibbs for 1/2 a season I might add, infact Gibbs system went backwards from his first tenure so don't lay our problems at ramseys feet he needs some help from the coaches as well.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by monk81

I don't think you can blame Ramsey on his STILL trying to catch up to NFL speed. Just consider how many head coaches, and how many systems the guy had to endure............blame the Redskin organization......

That is funny because Campbell had more offensive systems and offensive coordinator changes in the last four years than Ramsey. Campbell had 4 in four years and still did really well.
Because alot of people are calling Campbell mediocre college player I started to read more about the great and incredible Ramseys college career. HiIs team was 1-10 his jr. year and 3-9 his senior year. His biggest career day (stat wise) in college was against Navy. LOL
If you call Campbells career not so spectacular, Ramsey must be labeled as crap.
Yes, Ramsey had inflated stats in regards to yards in college, but look at the teams and defenses he was playing against. Crappy teams.

[aehs77]

can anybody say Heath Shuler

[ST21]

better than Brunell......everyone back of Campbell, if he was that Dumb then he was smarter than the staff, to convince them to draft him

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by offiss

You can't judge a college QB by wins and loses, the teams are to unbalanced. how many QB's have unbelievable winninf records and don't even get drafted? To many!

Perhaps it's because he played in a college system under SS, and now an outdated system under Gibbs for 1/2 a season I might add, infact Gibbs system went backwards from his first tenure so don't lay our problems at ramseys feet he needs some help from the coaches as well.

I agree you can not judge them on only one stat alone. But in all stats Campbell was very good. Completetion %, TD to INT %, W-L, and most importantly he did all of this against some very good teams, defenses, and talent.
Ramsey on the other had inflated stats against some weak teams. I can tell there are not many future NFL players on the college teams (defenses) that Ramsey played against.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I agree you can not judge them on only one stat alone. But in all stats Campbell was very good. Completetion %, TD to INT %, W-L, and most importantly he did all of this against some very good teams, defenses, and talent.
Ramsey on the other had inflated stats against some weak teams. I can tell there are not many future NFL players on the college teams (defenses) that Ramsey played against.

Yea but you can say that about Jerry Rice, Walter Payton and on and on.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by wewhite3

better than Brunell......everyone back of Campbell, if he was that Dumb then he was smarter than the staff, to convince them to draft him

The sad part is you're not far off. Damn it.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by offiss

Yea but you can say that about Jerry Rice, Walter Payton and on and on.

Yeah, but Rice and Payton had great careers in the NFL from day one. Ramsey has not shown sustained gretness in three plus years. Payton started on a bad Bears team and he still played great. You can not say that about Ramsey. Don't get me wrong I am not saying Ramsey is bad player. But he is not great either.
I like Ramsey. I just think some Ramsey fans are being overly critical of Cambell, while at the same time are talking about how great ramsey will be this season. I hope Ramsey takes us to the SB this year. But that does not take away from what Campbell has accomplished in his career.

[monk81]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

That is funny because Campbell had more offensive systems and offensive coordinator changes in the last four years than Ramsey. Campbell had 4 in four years and still did really well.
Because alot of people are calling Campbell mediocre college player I started to read more about the great and incredible Ramseys college career. HiIs team was 1-10 his jr. year and 3-9 his senior year. His biggest career day (stat wise) in college was against Navy. LOL
If you call Campbells career not so spectacular, Ramsey must be labeled as crap.
Yes, Ramsey had inflated stats in regards to yards in college, but look at the teams and defenses he was playing against. Crappy teams.

The issue here wasn't Campbell and his college career, it was why Ramsey hasn't grown as a QB in the NFL...how can you have a chance when your laying on the turf because your coach doesn't fit the players he has with a system, he plays his sytem anyway, and what if you have no line....but if you are strictly going by teams and defenses players play against in college, then the Redskins should never have drafted Darrell Green using this logic................

[MTK]

How about we see this kid on the field before we write him off.

The overreactions on this site are almost comical lately.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by monk81

The issue here wasn't Campbell and his college career, it was why Ramsey hasn't grown as a QB.......but if you are strictly going by teams and defenses players play against in college, then the Redskins should never have drafted Darrell Green using this logic................

Darrel Green ran a 4.19 second 40 in college. He beat Carl Lewis in a track meet in college in the 100 dash and beat the world record at that time.
However the record was not allowed to stand (not an official record) because the wind was blowing above the allowable speed in the direction of the race. So it was labeled "wind aided' and the record did not stand. If had been an indoor track it would have stood up. That is why carl Lewis refused a rematch with Darrel Green a few years later. Darrel was not a suprise pick.
PLus, again Darrel came in and played great from day one. ramsey has not yet been great in 3 years.

[Defensewins]

I agree.
this came from a guy that know a guy...that was fired from Auburn and is now stuck at Ole Miss.
Campbell on the other hand is now in the NFL.
Who is the bigger idiot?

[monk81]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Darrel Green ran a 4.19 second 40 in college. He beat Carl Lewis in a track meet in college in the 100 dash and beat the world record at that time.
However the record was not allowed to stand (not an official record) because the wind was blowing above the allowable speed in the direction of the race. So it was labeled "wind aided' and the record did not stand. If had been an indoor track it would have stood up. That is why carl Lewis refused a rematch with Darrel Green a few years later. Darrel was not a suprise pick.
PLus, again Darrel came in and played great from day one. ramsey has not yet been great in 3 years.

Ahh but that's my point, we are not talking about Ramsey's athletic ability, strength of arm, release, mechanics, feet, how he reads the field, etc etc.
the point was COMPETITION...........wasn't it? Texas A&I didn't exactly have top notch competion. I'm not Darrell bashing here, just using him to make a point, yes he has SPEED, but couldn't it be said that viewing the competition just made him appear better than he was....strictly looking at the competition.....Darrell was one of a kind and I know he's a hall of famer, just bringing up the point about players coming from small schools that's all........PEACE

[Grayacre]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How about we see this kid on the field before we write him off.

I agree that it's way too early to start bashing Campbell's ability. However, his ability really isn't the point. Even if he's the second coming of Joe Montana, we gave up an awful lot of picks to relieve Hasselbeck of clipboard duty ...

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by monk81

Ahh but that's my point, we are not talking about Ramsey's athletic ability, strength of arm, release, mechanics, feet, how he reads the field, etc etc.
the point was COMPETITION...........wasn't it? Texas A&I didn't exactly have top notch competion. I'm not Darrell bashing here, just using him to make a point, yes he has SPEED, but couldn't it be said that viewing the competition just made him appear better than he was....strictly looking at the competition.....Darrell was one of a kind and I know he's a hall of famer, just bringing up the point about players coming from small schools that's all........PEACE

If you read my original post on this thread, my original point is some folks are bashing Campbell, calling him an average college QB, at the same time saying Ramsey is so wonderful.
My point was if Campbell was an average college QB, Ramsey was a worse college QB. That is all. I used the two players stats, W-L records and teams they played against as evidence that Campbell was a better QB coming out of college. I see the same type of bashing that happened to D. McNabb, happeneing here in Washington.
I am NOT comparing McNabb to Campbell as players.
Lets let Campbell step on to the playing field before we write him off.
We have given Ramsey 4 years of a chance to be good, we are not willing to give a rookie one game.