KC Chiefs' Player Commits Murder-Suicide

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Having a tribute in his locker does not mean they are saying what he did was right.

It's just a way of remembering the person they knew.

I'm sure there's a lot of conflicted emotions in that locker room.

Again, as many have already said it's a tragedy with a lot of layers. Too many people are trying to make it a black and white issue when it's clearly far from that.

But Matty as an organization there has to be enough clarity on the situation to say this guy murdered an innocent person and maybe a tribute will rub prople the wrong way. Especially people who knew her - since apparently only people who know a murderer can judge that particular murderer. Lol. In my mind a murderer is a p.o.s - thought this was mainstream thinking. This was not Sean Taylor - ok - this was the opposite. Victims deserve tributes not killers. And you can call that black and white thinking because it is totally that. Some things are black and white.

[warriorzpath]

... He wouldn't know anything about my brother to have any say about anything.

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

But this is my point too- Tom Jackson has no right to say anything as an outsider, but as the father of the victim - he has every right to speak out against anything his teammates say or do. I think it's a big difference.

Im just really not understanding you. We have the facts here. The facts are he killed someone and it was no accident. Why do i have to know him to say that what he did was wrong? What layers am i missing? What facts am i missing? The son of sam i believe blamed his dog for making him kill people? The son of sam might have been a cool guy when he was younger? At the end of the day neither of these two people hold human life with any regard. It is a shame that his friends and teammates have to live with that. A real shame. Not nearly as much a shame as what the victims family has to live with. No way. No how.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Im just really not understanding you. We have the facts here. The facts are he killed someone and it was no accident. Why do i have to know him to say that what he did was wrong? What layers am i missing? What facts am i missing? The son of sam i believe blamed his dog for making him kill people? The son of sam might have been a cool guy when he was younger? At the end of the day neither of these two people hold human life with any regard. It is a shame that his friends and teammates have to live with that. A real shame. Not nearly as much a shame as what the victims family has to live with. No way. No how.

I think my basic point is that Tom Jackson has no right to say anything. He doesn't know the killer or the killer's victim. Son of Sam is a totally different situation. Tom Jackson is just talking bullsh*t. I don't remember Tom Jackson doing anything in life to contribute to positivity - but he had the balls to comment on this?

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I probably would be too angry if I was in that situation to care about right or wrong. I wouldn't say anything but I would be offended if Tom Jackson had anything to say about that situation(scenario you described) if I was in it.

But it would just be wrong if that happened to your brother is my point. There is no rite! I didnt know anybody in 9-11 but surely u dont have a problem with me saying bin laden was wrong? On a mucch smaller scale of world affairs there is no difference here. I said before one human life is as valuable as 1 million.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by punch it in

But it would just be wrong if that happened to your brother is my point. There is no rite! I didnt know anybody in 9-11 but surely u dont have a problem with me saying bin laden was wrong? On a mucch smaller scale of world affairs there is no difference here. I said before one human life is as valuable as 1 million.

The situation is different. We're talking about oranges and apples. Bin laden is a mass murderer and has threatened the lives of every American - but we can go on and on about situations- and every one of them is different. That's how I'm honoring them by recognizing that. You can be angry about belchers actions and express them passionately but why?... and why stop there? I know there's a recent murder in every big city - why not look all of those up and immerse yourself in that and post your opinions everywhere you can about it? Those lives are just as important as belchers girlfriend to be upset about and express.

[RedskinRat]

No one has the right to dictate how you feel about anything in this life.

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

No one has the right to dictate how you feel about anything in this life.

More importantly nobody has the rite to take a life leaving u unable to form opinions whatsoever.

[SmootSmack]

I think some of you (one of you) are forgetting that many of the information we know have the Chiefs didn't necessarily have on Sunday morning when they decided to hang his jersey in his locker room.

And again, there was no public moment of silence, no vigil for Belcher, nothing like that

I think some of you (one of you) think it's way too easy to spend hours a day with someone, maybe know that he's having problems with his baby mama (but let's not kid ourselves how many pro athletes don't) and then one day you find that he killed himself and his girlfriend/baby mama...and you expect his teammates to just wipe every memory they have of him clean. Absurd.

Incredibly arrogant for some of you (one of you) to think it's not a full spectrum of emotions his teammates are going through-why did he do this? what could I have done? why didn't he come to us first? how well do I know everyone else in this locker room? did the violence of the game make him do this? could this happen to me?-and so on

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think some of you (one of you) are forgetting that many of the information we know have the Chiefs didn't necessarily have on Sunday morning when they decided to hang his jersey in his locker room.

And again, there was no public moment of silence, no vigil for Belcher, nothing like that

I think some of you (one of you) think it's way too easy to spend hours a day with someone, maybe know that he's having problems with his baby mama (but let's not kid ourselves how many pro athletes don't) and then one day you find that he killed himself and his girlfriend/baby mama...and you expect his teammates to just wipe every memory they have of him clean. Absurd.

Incredibly arrogant for some of you (one of you) to think it's not a full spectrum of emotions his teammates are going through-why did he do this? what could I have done? why didn't he come to us first? how well do I know everyone else in this locker room? did the violence of the game make him do this? could this happen to me?-and so on

Well Tom Jackson and one of me , and others in this thread, never said that the teammates dont have a rite to be shocked and saddened by what occured. Also if you read this last couple pages it has morphed into whether i have the rite as an outsider to say what belcher did is wrong? If im arrogant for saying it is than so be it. If the fact of the matter is that the organization and team was not aware if the murder when they hung up his jersey than i personally have no problem with it. However when the information was there at gametime and they did have the facts they should have taken the jersey down.

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Well Tom Jackson and one of me , and others in this thread, never said that the teammates dont have a rite to be shocked and saddened by what occured. Also if you read this last couple pages it has morphed into whether i have the rite as an outsider to say what belcher did is wrong? If im arrogant for saying it is than so be it. If the fact of the matter is that the organization and team was not aware if the murder when they hung up his jersey than i personally have no problem with it. However when the information was there at gametime and they did have the facts they should have taken the jersey down.

Edit: SS - usually through my rants whether you agree or disagree i get the impression that you atleast read them but in this case im surprised. I must have said atleast three times that i myself - if this were my own brother - would not erase the memories i have for him. Your totally putting words in my mouth and although you didnt mention me by name - i think its safe to assume you were pretty much talking directly to me
Edit: whoops quoted nyself instead of modifying my post - my apologies to Bucket.

[SmootSmack]

I saw you wrote "if my brother was a drug dealer who was killed" but I see you also gave the "if my brother was a murderer" scenario

[SmootSmack]

Anyhow, it's been suggested by a few of you and I agree that this thread is taking a turn we don't need.

So...thread locked

[MTK]