Preseason Predictions Thread

[MTK]

Another year, another overrated Dallas team. What else is new?

[Chico23231]

At every position group on offense, starter to depth, Redskins > Cowboys. Defense group, more even.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

At every position group on offense, starter to depth, Redskins > Cowboys. Defense group, more even.

Receiver to Dallas, I think. Tight end up for grabs. In a 1 TE offense, you'd take Witten. Multiple TEs, you want the Redskins.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Receiver to Dallas, I think. Tight end up for grabs. In a 1 TE offense, you'd take Witten. Multiple TEs, you want the Redskins.

WR is def the place where its the closest, but Id still go with the Skins. I think you look at the group at TE, no question its the Skins. Think Fred is gonna get that contract this year.

[GTripp0012]

The thing is, when you factor in how difficult the Redskins are to prepare for as opposed to the Cowboys, it's easy to say that the Redskins offense is far and beyond Dallas'. And it is.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm sure you could get a list of 8-10 teams who have the same top end talent as Dallas...just not in the NFC East.

Denver, New Orleans, Atlanta, Tampa, Green Bay, Seattle, SF, Houston, maybe New England?

I neither agree nor disagree with the assertions you make based on this undefined "top end talent" though I suspect once defined I will likely disagree. Given undefined nature of the phrase, however, it is impossible to do so coherently. Please ennumerate who you consider to be Dallas's "top end talent" - preferably in the order you think they rate.

[Lotus]

Bryant/Austin > Garcon/Morgan in terms of talent. But our WR depth is better.

[GTripp0012]

There's no question that the Redskins are best in the division at OL (given 100% health for all four teams), RB, QB, and near the top at TE. That's most of an offense right there, and it's why I'm so optimistic about our offense this year.

The defensive depth is better than it was last season, which is saying something, but we're very weak right up the middle of the defense. A place to keep an eye on. Because I think we're strong enough on the edges to have a really good defense.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Bryant/Austin > Garcon/Morgan in terms of talent. But our WR depth is better.

Yes. The Cowboys bench receivers are notoriously bad at coming into a game and not screwing up. They hang the QB out to dry so much.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I neither agree nor disagree with the assertions you make based on this undefined "top end talent" though I suspect once defined I will likely disagree. Given undefined nature of the phrase, however, it is impossible to do so coherently. Please ennumerate who you consider to be Dallas's "top end talent" - preferably in the order you think they rate.

Sure thing, glad you asked.

Ware, Spencer, Lee, Romo, Bryant, Witten, Tyron Smith, Hatcher, and Carr would fit my definition of top end talent. Austin, Murray, Ratliff, Claiborne, and Bruce Carter would fall short.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Sure thing, glad you asked.

Ware, Spencer, Lee, Romo, Bryant, Witten, Tyron Smith, Hatcher, and Carr would fit my definition of top end talent. Austin, Murray, Ratliff, Claiborne, and Bruce Carter would fall short.

Orakpo, Fletcher, Kerrigan, Griffin, Davis, Williams, Coefield, Morris, and wait for it...... Hall. (compare his stats to Carr)

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm not in disagreement necessarily about the quality of our depth vs. Dallas',

Yes you specifically disagreed with me by saying their depth is like ours, I specifically listed out the comparable offensive depth chart, and they are not as you said earlier : "Their depth is like ours, it's highly concentrated." It's just blatantly wrong.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

but I do see that you've bought into the narrative around this team, so there's really no point for me to take the discussion further.

I will take it further. I'm not "buying in to the narrative", in my position by position listing, it shows that our depth is more consistent (not claiming star power, just solid depth) and that better depth also shows when our twos are playing "mano y mano" in preseason against other teams ones (or 3 vs 2 etc).

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'll gladly concede any debate about the Redskins and the Cowboys depth charts,

Good

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

but you can't look at our backup OL, see starting quality across the board, and be taken seriously. It's a non-starter.

Depth is not for "starting quality" it's for the ability to play at a position with the least amount of dropoff if called upon. I said almost all our OL is starting quality, I don't really think Polumbus should be starting in a non-zone blocking, or straight drop type offense, but he does fit the bare minimum for what our offense needs most of the time, the backups all are cross trained (minus Compton) and we could suffer a loss at one position(excluding our Stud LT), and not have our line deteriorate completely. There just aren't many teams that have starting quality OL backups, and maybe only 1 or two who could replace their LT without a drop in performance. Bottomline, you are setting a false goal if you think any team has 8 starting quality OL, and I certainly never claimed or implied we did.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Orakpo, Fletcher, Kerrigan, Griffin, Davis, Williams, Coefield, Morris, and wait for it...... Hall. (compare his stats to Carr)

Nice...although if you compare their stats, Carr was substantially better in catches allowed.

Hall: 94 tackles, 4 INTs, 1 sack, 75 catches allowed

Carr: 53 tackles, 3 InTs, 0 sacks, 51 catches allowed

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Nice...although if you compare their stats, Carr was substantially better in catches allowed.

Hall: 94 tackles, 4 INTs, 1 sack, 75 catches allowed

Carr: 53 tackles, 3 InTs, 0 sacks, 51 catches allowed

Carr also had better help from safeties. Hall had basically none. Safeties have a fair say in that particular stat unless its a true shut down corner that is left on an island the whole time. Which neither Carr nor Hall are.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Carr also had better help from safeties. Hall had basically none. Safeties have a fair say in that particular stat unless its a true shut down corner that is left on an island the whole time. Which neither Carr nor Hall are.

If you factor safety play in, than Hall is better. 94 tackles and 4 INTs isn't too shabby for an almost-30 year-old corner.