Are we 4-2 because of Gibbs, or in spite of him?

[paulskinsfan]

So, the defense is back and it is run totally by GW. The offense goes through Saunders, but if we have the lead then Gibbs greatly influences the playcalling to be more conservative. If GW is calling all the defense, and Saunders calls the plays until we get a lead, that begs the question: Are we 4-2 because of Joe, or in spite of him?

[GMScud]

I think this is a good thread. IMO we are 4-2 because of him, but NOT because he's doing a good job on Sundays. I think his premium on character and intelligence in players, along with his disciplined approach has greatly improved the stability of the team/organization. And as far as game preparation goes, he's second-to-none. He has gotten The Danny to almost completely disappear from the day-to-day stuff, which is also good for stability. And as great as Williams has been, does anyone think he or guys like Bugel and Saunders would be here if it weren't for Gibbs? Again, I don't think Coach Joe does a great job during the actual game itself. But as far as building a stable organization, a good locker room, and a great group of coaches, that's directly his doing.

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think this is a good thread. IMO we are 4-2 because of him, but NOT because he's doing a good job on Sundays. I think his premium on character and intelligence in players, along with his disciplined approach has greatly improved the stability of the team/organization. And as far as game preparation goes, he's second-to-none. He has gotten The Danny to almost completely disappear from the day-to-day stuff, which is also good for stability. And as great as Williams has been, does anyone think he or guys like Bugel and Saunders would be here if it weren't for Gibbs? Again, I don't think Coach Joe does a great job during the actual game itself. But as far as building a stable organization, a good locker room, and a great group of coaches, that's directly his doing.

ALL great points and I agree with you 100%!!! Aside from last season, Gibbs has put the Washington Redskins back on the NFL map!

And I'll throw this in about Al Saunders and the belief that Gibbs takes over playcalling or at least has his thumb on Al when we get a lead, there's a reason why Priest Holmes and LJ had so many carries and yards while he was there...Al does like to run the ball!!! It's just they had a stellar O-line in KC that made it effective, and ours has shown glimpses of that as well (when they're not on IR) and with the 2 backs we have, I think that he thinks they can get it done, that the backfield talent is better than the WR/QB talent right now. That being said, I think you'll see 60/40 ratio of pass/run this Sunday....provided the game is somewhat close.

[SBprimetime]

In every single thread I read Saunders is calling the plays, but then when we start doing shitty it's because Gibbs just decided to start calling plays at that moment and take our team down the drain. I highly doubt the Gibbs takes over playcalling at random moments and singlehandedly causes all of our second half collapses.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by SBprimetime

In every single thread I read Saunders is calling the plays, but then when we start doing shitty it's because Gibbs just decided to start calling plays at that moment and take our team down the drain. I highly doubt the Gibbs takes over playcalling at random moments and singlehandedly causes all of our second half collapses.

No one can make me believe that Gibbs doesn't have major impact on AS playcalling. JG may not call the plays but he controls the theme of the game, no doubt.

I say let Al free. We brought him here, let him do his thing.

We're 4-2 b/c of both.

[saden1]

We are 4-2 because of GW.

[SFREDSKIN]

We are 4-2 because of Gibbs. Who do you think calls the shots from the draft to the game plan. Do you credit our 3 SB's to Richie Petitbon (sp)? It's a team effort, ultimately the head coach is the one held accountable. He's responsible for the players he picked, his handpicked coaching staff, etc. Just ask Scott Linehan the Rams coach.

[GTripp0012]

Pretty much irrelivant of him. He's definately made some downright wrong game decisions, but he's well respected in the locker room and by a majority of fans.

There are coaches out there who are better than Gibbs, but no one nearly as important to the history of this franchise. Plus, there are a ton of coaches out there who don't command respect like Gibbs does.

We're 4-2. Joe Gibbs happens to be our coach. That's about as well as I can put it.

[Bill B]

I know a lot of people are frustrated with Gibbs, but if 60% of your starting offensive line goes down I don't know how many teams in the NFL would fare much better.

Not to mention how many games has Jason Campbell started now? How many qbs become dominate in their first real season in action - I would guess it probably take 2-3 years of actually game experience to fully develop into a bonified QB.

What we forget to remember is who was repsonsible for bringing in Greg Williams in the first place? - last I remember Gibbs was the one on Redskin One flying to Buffalo - in fact this was his first "mission" - getting Williams to revamp the defense. Gibbs than went out and got some of the most experienced coaches money could buy - not a bad move if you ask me.

Yes the decision making as far as player acquisition is quite debatable - in fact I have posted on here before in favor of bringing in a seperate, proven GM because I am of the belief that a coach thinks more short term while a GM often takes a longer term forecast as far as player acquisition goes - hence this is why we traded away a lot of draft picks for immediate results with Llyod, Duckett and so on. I hope that we move away from this way of doing business, because draft picks outside of the 1st round are often the lifeblood of your team.

I think Gibbs as Coach is just fine. Gibbs as GM - well that is a whole seperate thread that has been beaten into the ground on this board already.

[rypper11]

I say it is because of Coach Joe but it has nothing to with his playcalling or any other gameday duties.Gibbs is the ultimate NFL CEO. He has final say in shaping the roster and determining the makeup of the coaching staff. He stayed the line w/ GW when a lot of people were blasting the D and he allowed JC to develop a little before rushing him in like most of us wanted. During Gibbs 1.0 he was hands off D and ST and the same is true today.
He trusts people to do their job and he butts out.

[jgalecpa]

I think it is because of him.

Think about the years "BG" : Between Gibbs.

What did we have, one playoff year in 12?

Now we are looking at possibly being in the playoffs for the 2nd time in 3 years.

Also,the caliber of picks in recent years (a topic of a recent thread), has given GW the players that are making the D what it is today.

Where would we be this season WITHOUT Sean Taylor, London Fletcher, Fred Smoot, etc.?

Just my 2-centavos.

J-Dawg.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

Where would we be this season WITHOUT Sean Taylor, London Fletcher, Fred Smoot, etc.?

I always thought Taylor and Fletcher were GW's moves.

[skinsguy]

We're 4-2 because of Joe Gibbs.

[SmootSmack]

We've won 4 games because of Joe Gibbs, Gregg Williams, Al Saunders, Dan Snyder, Louis Riddick, Vinny Cerrato, Jerry Gray, Joe Bugel, Greg Blache, Jason Campbell, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Shawns Springs, Andre Carter, Khary Campbell, Rock Cartwright, and so on

We've lost 2 games because of Joe Gibbs, Gregg Williams, Al Saunders, Dan Snyder, Louis Riddick, Vinny Cerrato, Jerry Gray, Joe Bugel, Greg Blache, Jason Campbell, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Shawns Springs, Andre Carter, Khary Campbell, Rock Cartwright, and so on

Team effort. You can pin all the wins and losses on just one person.

However, one man signs all their checks so...We are 4-2 because of Dan Snyder

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We've won 4 games because of Joe Gibbs, Gregg Williams, Al Saunders, Dan Snyder, Louis Riddick, Vinny Cerrato, Jerry Gray, Joe Bugel, Greg Blache, Jason Campbell, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Shawns Springs, Andre Carter, Khary Campbell, Rock Cartwright, and so on

We've lost 2 games because of Joe Gibbs, Gregg Williams, Al Saunders, Dan Snyder, Louis Riddick, Vinny Cerrato, Jerry Gray, Joe Bugel, Greg Blache, Jason Campbell, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Shawns Springs, Andre Carter, Khary Campbell, Rock Cartwright, and so on

Team effort. You can pin all the wins and losses on just one person.

However, one man signs all their checks so...We are 4-2 because of Dan Snyder

Well said.