Collins' INT/Moss' "give up"

[hooskins]

Ok so everyone seems to think Moss gave up on that play. And you guys listened to the announcer Chris Collinsworthless give worthless analysis once again. he said that Moss gave up because the DB didnt bit on his post corner route.

This is partially true, Moss stopped running bc the DB didn't "bite", but why did the DB not bite? That is because Todd and Santana were on sync that play. Todd threw the ball out before Santana made his cuts.

So by the time Moss looked up the DB keyed in on the throw not because he knew where the ball was gonna go preroute or something.

Todd made a poor throw way too early in Santana's route. I think this is purely Todd's fault. Those with DVR I urge to go back, mute the sound, and look at the play.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

i did it also didnt help that collins's arm isnt that strong to begin with

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

i did it also didnt help that collins's arm isnt that strong to begin with

Exactly, Collins has no significant arm strength. I am glad my other friends who thought Collins should start next year finally shut up after this game.

I guess my whole point was everyone, including TC in postgame interviews,
seemed to blame this on Moss when Collins made a poor throw on so many levels.

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Exactly, Collins has no significant arm strength. I am glad my other friends who thought Collins should start next year finally shut up after this game.

I guess my whole point was everyone, including TC in postgame interviews,
seemed to blame this on Moss when Collins made a poor throw on so many levels.

What post game show were you watching? I didnt hear anyone not once blame Moss. The only thing I heard from Collins, Moss and Randel L was that Moss didnt think the ball was coming his way, he looked and didnt see anything so he fiqured it was a busted play, until he looked over at the defender catching a ball that looked like a punt,(Moss' quote) lol. So I, like everyone in the country thought Moss had for some strange reason just gave up. I guess we could argue the point but I believe what all 3 of them said. It still sucks, but whatcha gonna do....

[fortysixdefense]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Exactly, Collins has no significant arm strength. I am glad my other friends who thought Collins should start next year finally shut up after this game.

I guess my whole point was everyone, including TC in postgame interviews,
seemed to blame this on Moss when Collins made a poor throw on so many levels.

Collins won four and 3/4ths games with no arm strength. It was not the lack of arm strength that cause the interceptions it was the call. Redskins NEVER throw deep, especially when they are ahead. So why ask a weak armed QB to throw deep, against the wind....against the wind...with five minutes left in the game. The short-intermediate passing game worked well for the other TD's. Why did the coaches panic with 5 minutes left and ask Collins to throw 40 yards against the wind? THATS the question that should be answered.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by fortysixdefense

Collins won four and 3/4ths games with no arm strength. It was not the lack of arm strength that cause the interceptions it was the call. Redskins NEVER throw deep, especially when they are ahead. So why ask a weak armed QB to throw deep, against the wind....against the wind...with five minutes left in the game. The short-intermediate passing game worked well for the other TD's. Why did the coaches panic with 5 minutes left and ask Collins to throw 40 yards against the wind? THATS the question that should be answered.

That's a good point actually

[fortysixdefense]

This chat room stuff gets old because its too slow. I want to know if anybody likes to talk live or if there is a live chat room with audio about the SKINS. If not, I am thinking about starting a Redskins weekly conference call line where we could get together on the phone in a chat room environment.

Anyone else interested except me?

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by fortysixdefense

Collins won four and 3/4ths games with no arm strength. It was not the lack of arm strength that cause the interceptions it was the call. Redskins NEVER throw deep, especially when they are ahead. So why ask a weak armed QB to throw deep, against the wind....against the wind...with five minutes left in the game. The short-intermediate passing game worked well for the other TD's. Why did the coaches panic with 5 minutes left and ask Collins to throw 40 yards against the wind? THATS the question that should be answered.

Yeah like SS said, good point. First legit problem I have heard with the playcalling.

[MTK]

I really don't know what happened there. Has anyone heard an explanation from a player or coach?

It definitely looked like some sort of miscommunication.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really don't know what happened there. Has anyone heard an explanation from a player or coach?

It definitely looked like some sort of miscommunication.

Well I dont know about all that but I went back and looked at it carefully. he was running a post corner route(See route B on picture below.)




And Collins is suppose to make the throw right before the second cut. From what I saw he threw it WAY before.

That is why the DB keyed in on the INT, because he saw the ball going one way and Moss going the other.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Well I dont know about all that but I went back and looked at it carefully. he was running a post corner route(See route B on picture below.)




And Collins is suppose to make the throw right before the second cut. From what I saw he threw it WAY before.

That is why the DB keyed in on the INT, because he saw the ball going one way and Moss going the other.

If Saunders would've kept Moss's speed burst button down and then hit the catch button we would've been fine !!! J/K

[Campbell17]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Well I dont know about all that but I went back and looked at it carefully. he was running a post corner route(See route B on picture below.)




And Collins is suppose to make the throw right before the second cut. From what I saw he threw it WAY before.

That is why the DB keyed in on the INT, because he saw the ball going one way and Moss going the other.

Moss was frustrated, and knew it was over. Maybe he was expressing, "Jason's Team"

[rk3025]

Maybe the new coach will look for a wide receiver after checking the Green Bay and Seattle game film and a player will work on timing with the quarterback in camp not in Florida
We need a hard nosed coach like the giants have
Is he available?

Originally Posted by Campbell17

Moss was frustrated, and knew it was over. Maybe he was expressing, "Jason's Team"

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I know Collins threw the post corner route, but I didn't even see Moss start to look for it. I though he was just running a "Go", or a "Seam", route. If he was running the post corner he should have at least looked over his right shoulder... which he never did. I think this was either a terrible throw... or a miscommunication.

There was a graphic in the Washington Post after the game on the play... but I couldn't find it... so here's my rough rendition.



The second I saw the play... I yelled at Moss. He lost the ball, so he stopped. I guess in the heat of the moment he didn't realize where it was thrown, but if it was a post corner he should have at least looked for it there. I don't really know what to think of this play now, but when I saw it... I really felt it was Moss' fault.

[RISkinsFan]

That was just an all around bad play. That was a ball Collins never should have thrown. Moss should have completed his route no matter what. Somewhere along the way, one of our 11 guys on the field should have tackled Trufant before he went 78 yards for a touchdown. You can't blame just one guy for that play.