Arguing pilots fly 150 miles past runway

[MTK]

Brilliant!

Arguing Northwest pilots fly 150 miles past runway | World news | guardian.co.uk

[skinsguy]

This is why I am scared to fly. Well, that and crashing.

[firstdown]

So does that mean the passengers earned an additional 300 air mile points.

[Daseal]

Sleeping Northwest pilots fly 150 miles past runway | World news | guardian.co.uk

Fixed.

Haha FD, that one cracked me up.

[GMScud]

Flying scares me to death. Reading stuff like this only makes it worse.

[KLHJ2]

The cruising speed of a 747 is approx 565 MPH. At that speed it only takes 16 min to travel 150 miles. I'm sure that several of us have been distracted for 15-20 min on a regular car ride and missed a turn or an exit. It's not as bad as people are making it out to be.

Edit: This was an Airbus A320, the cruising speed is between 504-540 MPH. This changes the flight time to 17-18 min to travel 150 Miles.

Airbus A320 | Airliners.net

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Angry

The cruising speed of a 747 is approx 565 MPH. At that speed it only takes 16 min to travel 150 miles. I'm sure that several of us have been distracted for 15-20 min on a regular car ride and missed a turn or an exit. It's not as bad as people are making it out to be.

So its not that bad that two guys with a hundred or more peoples lives in their hands get distracted for 16 minutes?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Angry

The cruising speed of a 747 is approx 565 MPH. At that speed it only takes 16 min to travel 150 miles. I'm sure that several of us have been distracted for 15-20 min on a regular car ride and missed a turn or an exit. It's not as bad as people are making it out to be.

Um, they are 7 miles up in the air going nearly 600 mph with hundreds of lives in their hands. Distracted for 15-20 mins isn't a big deal??

[SmootSmack]

I'm no pilot, but I'm not sure how you compare missing an exit on a highway with missing a runway

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm no pilot, but I'm not sure how you compare missing an exit on a highway with missing a runway

Me either, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm no pilot, but I'm not sure how you compare missing an exit on a highway with missing a runway

They just kept flying. Just like you would keep driving. There is a better form of cruise control up there as well. Thay call it "Auto Pilot".

Eveyone thinks that just because they are flying in a plane that they are paying more attention. The truth is that after you get comfortable doing something, you get complacent. It happens to everyone; no one is immune, especially when you have a job as redundant as flying or driving. I am suprised that this sort of thing does not happen more often. You may disagree with the comparison, but I have seen things like this fist hand.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Angry

They just kept flying. Just like you would keep driving. There is a better form of cruise control up there as well. Thay call it "Auto Pilot".

Eveyone thinks that just because they are flying in a plane that they are paying more attention. The truth is that after you get comfortable doing something, you get complacent. It happens to everyone; no one is immune, especially when you have a job as redundant as flying or driving. I am suprised that this sort of thing does not happen more often. You may disagree with the comparison, but I have seen things like this fist hand.

Sorry, it's not the same. Becoming distracted while flying a plane is undoubtedly more dangerous. The comparison may work from a purely functional standpoint but pilots get paid a pretty good amount of money to be doing what they are doing. And for good reason. Their ability to fly that plane, and all the skills required to do so, gives them responsibility for dozens if not hundreds of lives. In the end the potential consequences of the two aren't nearly the same. Just because something like this happens more often than we'd like to know doesn't make it any better. They should be fired and lose their licenses.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Sorry, it's not the same. Becoming distracted while flying a plane is undoubtedly more dangerous. The comparison may work from a purely functional standpoint but pilots get paid a pretty good amount of money to be doing what they are doing. And for good reason. Their ability to fly that plane, and all the skills required to do so, gives them responsibility for dozens if not hundreds of lives. In the end the potential consequences of the two aren't nearly the same. Just because something like this happens more often than we'd like to know doesn't make it any better. They should be fired and lose their licenses.

It is not more dangerous, don't you read those statistics where it is safer to fly than drive? I understand that in a car crash you could die, while in a plane crash you probably will die.

No they don't, not for a long time anyway.
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Regardless, you are expecting somebody to be as diligent at doing something their 451st time as they were on ther 1st. It just doesn't work that way. Human nature doesn't work that way. You can preach on and on about money, severity, danger, ect. until you are blue in the face. That does not change the fact that you are human, will get complacent, and eventually will make a mistake.

Now before you guys start wondering what airline I work for...I don't, I am not a pilot. I have ridden in planes and I have walked out of planes. That is not what I am basing my experience on.

My experience has come from being tired, hungy, and traveling in convoys at night across a combat zone. At no other time than this would you expect to be on your toes no matter what. After doing it for you 50th time, in the middle of the desert, while looking through a set of NVG's, wearing the hottest pieces of clothing US Tax dollars can buy, sitting inside of the cockpit of an armored track vehicle, while the engine compartment is letting off some intense heat, you fall asleep while driving. minutes later you wake up startled, wondering how in the hell you managed to drive as long as you did without getting into an accident. Sadly, this happens more than once, on more than one night, and to more than one driver.

If we can get complacent in a combat zone, what makes you think that it can't or shouldn't happen on a plane?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Angry

It is not more dangerous, don't you read those statistics where it is safer to fly than drive? I understand that in a car crash you could die, while in a plane crash you probably will die.

Perhaps I should have said that the consequences are greater. The difference is that not paying attention and missing an exit causes no one harm. This type of inattention arguably is harmless in general. Losing track of what you are doing while flying an airplane, while similar in type and consequence in this case, is simply a much worse indicator for the abilities of the pilot. When flying a plane with hundreds of people on board if you can't pay attention enough to know when to land the plane then I am pretty damned worried about you being a pilot. That's a rather large thing to miss. We're not talking about taxiing to the wrong gate here. They forgot to land the plane.

No they don't, not for a long time anyway.
WikiAnswers - How much money does an airline pilot earn

That's not peanuts.

Regardless, you are expecting somebody to be as diligent at doing something their 451st time as they were on ther 1st. It just doesn't work that way. Human nature doesn't work that way. You can preach on and on about money, severity, danger, ect. until you are blue in the face. That does not change the fact that you are human, will get complacent, and eventually will make a mistake.

Look I buy your rationale about human nature. But in this type of case it doesn't apply. If it did we'd hear about this happening more often. I haven't heard of it before. That leads me to believe that most pilots don't EVER have a problem remembering to land the plane at the appropriate time.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm no pilot, but I'm not sure how you compare missing an exit on a highway with missing a runway

Well at first I was going to say they probably have a GPS system in the plane but after a quick search I'm not so sure.

Airlines which APPROVE/DISPROVE GPS use in Flight