Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell

[skinsfaninok]

Well apparently Cooley was trying his best not to take a shot at Lewis, it's funny that everyone is talking shit about this guy but yet our offense has approved by leaps and bounds... Just 5 weeks ago we thought we would never hit 20pts... Now we have scored 24+ in 2 out of 3 weeks. I'm not saying Lewis is a Genius but obviously he is a better signal caller than Zorn.

Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell | ProFootballTalk.com

[tryfuhl]

yah it's being discussed in another thread.. the WaPo article that it links to mentions Cooley saying that the O has looked better though too, but that was conveniently left out of the PFT article

[SolidSnake84]

I honestly wonder at this point, with the season lost, is Lewis at all curious if Todd Collins could run his offense better.

Now i know the argument that you can't start a 38 year old QB with no future, believe me we have been there and done that. BUT...with seemingly nothing to lose, why not see if anybody can put more points on the board.

I remember early when Lewis was hired, the story floating around PFT, mentioned on several radio news outlets, and even our own Washington Post was that Lewis preferred Collins as the QB.

I truly do wonder what the record would be like had TC15 started from day 1, and Ladell Betts be the feature back. I'll go on a limb and say we are at least 5-6 right now, but truthfully we would probably be 6-5 or 7-4....

The fact that Lewis doesnt talk to Campbell at all is a very telling fact that should not be ignored....

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I honestly wonder at this point, with the season lost, is Lewis at all curious if Todd Collins could run his offense better.

Now i know the argument that you can't start a 38 year old QB with no future, believe me we have been there and done that. BUT...with seemingly nothing to lose, why not see if anybody can put more points on the board.

I remember early when Lewis was hired, the story floating around PFT, mentioned on several radio news outlets, and even our own Washington Post was that Lewis preferred Collins as the QB.

I truly do wonder what the record would be like had TC15 started from day 1, and Ladell Betts be the feature back. I'll go on a limb and say we are at least 5-6 right now, but truthfully we would probably be 6-5 or 7-4....

The fact that Lewis doesnt talk to Campbell at all is a very telling fact that should not be ignored....

It sounds more like Lewis interacts mainly with the coaches, if that's the case, it's just how he wants to work this season, and probably indicates a lack of planning to hop full into head coach or some other role, in other words, he came in as a "consultant" and he has no intentions of expanding that to on the field coaching. If he is shunning Campbell but talking with the other players, then yes that does mean something.

[sportscurmudgeon]

If - - I Said IF - - Cooley is right and this is the way the offensive braintrust of the Redskins is functioning, then whoever put the system together and whoever has allowed it to get to this status needs to be drawn and quartered.


A "team" works because people work together. Coaches should not be allowed to "do their own thing" any more than players should be ecnouraged to "freelance".


I suspect that not a single Super Bowl winning team ever functioned in a structure like the one described by Chris Cooley. Vince Lombardi is shedding a tear right about now...

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

If - - I Said IF - - Cooley is right and this is the way the offensive braintrust of the Redskins is functioning, then whoever put the system together and whoever has allowed it to get to this status needs to be drawn and quartered.


A "team" works because people work together. Coaches should not be allowed to "do their own thing" any more than players should be ecnouraged to "freelance".


I suspect that not a single Super Bowl winning team ever functioned in a structure like the one described by Chris Cooley. Vince Lombardi is shedding a tear right about now...

Well if he'd be shedding a tear then he'd be kind of an asshole for real. If the shit is working why would he be crying ? Because no one else does it this way ? I call bullshit on that one, because how do they do it in Baltimore ? Cam Cameron calls the runs and Al Saunders calls the passes right ? Maybe I'm wrong but I thought thats how it was there. Sort of like he was a guy who wasn't an offensive or defensive coordinator but got the HC job. Also didn't hire "his guys" to fill his staff. But hey, when we did it that too, was unprecedented. Why should we bitch and moan about it ? IT IS WORKING !

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I honestly wonder at this point, with the season lost, is Lewis at all curious if Todd Collins could run his offense better.

Now i know the argument that you can't start a 38 year old QB with no future, believe me we have been there and done that. BUT...with seemingly nothing to lose, why not see if anybody can put more points on the board.

I remember early when Lewis was hired, the story floating around PFT, mentioned on several radio news outlets, and even our own Washington Post was that Lewis preferred Collins as the QB.

I truly do wonder what the record would be like had TC15 started from day 1, and Ladell Betts be the feature back. I'll go on a limb and say we are at least 5-6 right now, but truthfully we would probably be 6-5 or 7-4....

The fact that Lewis doesnt talk to Campbell at all is a very telling fact that should not be ignored....

All game long against the Eagles, Campbell was making plays that Collins and many other QBs could not make. He made deep throws while on the move, he escaped sacks, he ran for first downs...he's a far better QB than Collins. It's tough to tell because the line is getting him killed, but Collins has no mobility and does not have the arm for deep throws or just hard throws like Campbell was making.

If we had Collins playing, well, he'd be in the hospital but until that point, we'd be scoring far less than 17 most games.

He's more of an emergency QB than a backup at this point in his career.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Buster

All game long against the Eagles, Campbell was making plays that Collins and many other QBs could not make. He made deep throws while on the move, he escaped sacks, he ran for first downs...he's a far better QB than Collins. It's tough to tell because the line is getting him killed, but Collins has no mobility and does not have the arm for deep throws or just hard throws like Campbell was making.

If we had Collins playing, well, he'd be in the hospital but until that point, we'd be scoring far less than 17 most games.

He's more of an emergency QB than a backup at this point in his career.

I agree but I don't think that Campbell threw anything farther than Collins could. What was the longest ball in the air?

[jadmanjeff]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I honestly wonder at this point, with the season lost, is Lewis at all curious if Todd Collins could run his offense better.

Now i know the argument that you can't start a 38 year old QB with no future, believe me we have been there and done that. BUT...with seemingly nothing to lose, why not see if anybody can put more points on the board.

I remember early when Lewis was hired, the story floating around PFT, mentioned on several radio news outlets, and even our own Washington Post was that Lewis preferred Collins as the QB.

I truly do wonder what the record would be like had TC15 started from day 1, and Ladell Betts be the feature back. I'll go on a limb and say we are at least 5-6 right now, but truthfully we would probably be 6-5 or 7-4....

The fact that Lewis doesnt talk to Campbell at all is a very telling fact that should not be ignored....

Todd Collins would be on IR! He is so immobile, he would be crippled for life with our o-line!

[tryfuhl]

There's no season to save so no need to play Collins just for the wins.. continue seeing what you have in JC and consider playing the 3rd guy.

[SolidSnake84]

I think we know that Campbell isnt the total problem. He is an OK QB that can manage the game and not make stupid mistakes. He is a good backup QB to have.

But he doesnt win you the game and he certainly doesnt have the fire or passion that makes other players around him better. I would definatley give Bartel some playing time. Next year we would likely have Colt and Bartel battle for the job assuming Jason doesn't get re-signed and the skins don't sign a veteran QB or draft a QB...

[saden1]

That's fine with me...my CEO never talks to me but my team makes him 450K per developer for the company. Everyone is happy when you're winning.

[SmootSmack]

It's a curious set-up, for sure. But I don't know how totally unique it is. I mean I really don't know to what extent coaches and players communicate during the week on any team.

The PFT article itself, as mentioned, is a bit incomplete however.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's a curious set-up, for sure. But I don't know how totally unique it is. I mean I really don't know to what extent coaches and players communicate during the week on any team.

The PFT article itself, as mentioned, is a bit incomplete however.

me either but i would have to assume that the oc and playcaller would have o have a little talk with their qb, going over what plays worked better for them and tweak it a little bit, but thats just an assumtion

and whats the deal with cooley he never really has said much about the team and the situation all year, and he really isn't even there that much. and now with the article in the post today he talks about his uncertain future and he's not sure what he will be returning to. just seems out of place for cooley

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[MTK]

The setup is just bizzare to me. Zorn came in wearing too many hats and now it seems he's not much more than a glorified coordinator. The staff now consists of all indians, no chiefs.