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[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

"On", my dear chap, not "Upon". I'm happy with the intent of the rest of it.

lol. Okay. I missed that. You are correct sir. What can I say, I picked the pretty meme.

[KLHJ2]

Guys, there is no way that I can give you faith or even present an argument strong enough to encourage you to believe. I can however present you with scientific information that will help you understand where those of us who do believe are coming from. This is not an attempt to change your mind, rather supportive evidence for the faith that those like I have. I cannot debate you endlessly on issues of science (which means knowledge) because I am not a scientist. However I can prove that we are not fools. We have enough supporting information to go along with our faith that allows us to reasonably believe. The following link provides information from a creationist perspective that supports our presumptions about a creator and the universe as we know it. I do not presume to change your mind, only to present you with enough information to stop calling us idiots without evidence.

Astronomy and Astrophysics Questions and Answers

I do not belive that this information will change your minds on your Theological perspective. I do however, intend to change your mind about our sanity and intelligence.

[RedskinRat]

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[Alvin Walton]

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[RedskinRat]

Pat Condell on islam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz267A6jhbw

Moving pictures, not just a picture. I would like to hear a rational counter to his opinion, which I share.

[RedskinRat]

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Interesting.

On CNN or some news my dad and I were watching they showed how crucifixes had stayed on a wall through the tornado and how it was god's work.

Really? So he used his power to save two man made plastic crucifixes but allowed seven children to drown just down the road.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Interesting.

On CNN or some news my dad and I were watching they showed how crucifixes had stayed on a wall through the tornado and how it was god's work.

Really? So he used his power to save two man made plastic crucifixes but allowed seven children to drown just down the road.

Yeah, I never understand how people truly rationalize that kind of 'miracle' when stacked against the amount of havoc incurred.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Yeah, I never understand how people truly rationalize that kind of 'miracle' when stacked against the amount of havoc incurred.

Confirmation bias.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Confirmation bias.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Interesting.

On CNN or some news my dad and I were watching they showed how crucifixes had stayed on a wall through the tornado and how it was god's work.

Really? So he used his power to save two man made plastic crucifixes but allowed seven children to drown just down the road.

Alot of that type of reverence probably goes all the way back to the origins of passover.

When the blood of the lamb was on the doorpost, the death passed over the house. Death, weeping, horror still occurred all around, but people who trusted and obeyed were kept safe. I am sure those that were saved praised and thanked God for that.

Spin forward to modern day, if God had said, there is a tornado coming, put a cross up on your house and it will pass. How many would actually have? I probably wouldn't, to much skepticism/cynicism, but when a protection of a sacrimental object occurs, we want to ascribe it to some level of care and concern by God. I think that is human instinct.

One last thought, again God may choose to save someone, but He makes it clear that in His timeline, everyone will be judged, there is no special clause that says he will set aside the workings of nature and science to impose His will. He allows us free will, and one day we will be brought before him, our actions, beliefs and heart will be judged.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Alot of that type of reverence probably goes all the way back to the origins of passover.

When the blood of the lamb was on the doorpost, the death passed over the house. Death, weeping, horror still occurred all around, but people who trusted and obeyed were kept safe. I am sure those that were saved praised and thanked God for that.

Spin forward to modern day, if God had said, there is a tornado coming, put a cross up on your house and it will pass. How many would actually have? I probably wouldn't, to much skepticism/cynicism, but when a protection of a sacrimental object occurs, we want to ascribe it to some level of care and concern by God. I think that is human instinct.

One last thought, again God may choose to save someone, but He makes it clear that in His timeline, everyone will be judged, there is no special clause that says he will set aside the workings of nature and science to impose His will. He allows us free will, and one day we will be brought before him, our actions, beliefs and heart will be judged.

I hear and respect your beliefs and you as a long term poster here. With that said I don't agree with your beliefs.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I hear and respect your beliefs and you as a long term poster here. With that said I don't agree with your beliefs.

Thanks, I accept that you don't. Sorry if it came off preachy, I really was just trying to give a rationale for the situation that was described, thanking God for a crucifix that was not destroyed, and probably got long winded, but at least it wasn't JR long winded!

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

*sigh* thats so f*cked up on so many levels