One Night Only: Offensive Packers-Redskins Game Review, Mythbusters Edition

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Thats good to know. Any word on if Has is going to come back to the sidelines?

We could use the extra person to help tackle.

[GTripp0012]

A lot of suggested that RG3 is just mentally not comfortable yet in the pocket.

This is may or may not be the case -- he looks fine to me -- but I would tend to lean towards other explanations for his lack of running than that he's uncomfortable. There's just no evidence to support it.

He might actually BE really uncomfortable out there. He might just not feel right. But I think that's a less logical explanation to me at least than he's just been trailing on the scoreboard pretty much the whole season. And that has probably been the number one factor (along with prepared defenses) in why the running element of his game just hasn't been a factor.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

A lot of suggested that RG3 is just mentally not comfortable yet in the pocket.

This is may or may not be the case -- he looks fine to me -- but I would tend to lean towards other explanations for his lack of running than that he's uncomfortable. There's just no evidence to support it.

He might actually BE really uncomfortable out there. He might just not feel right. But I think that's a less logical explanation to me at least than he's just been trailing on the scoreboard pretty much the whole season. And that has probably been the number one factor (along with prepared defenses) in why the running element of his game just hasn't been a factor.

I said that RGIII looks more than "uncomfortable" - in fact I said that, to me, RGIII is playing scared. I did not mean this as an explanation for why he is not running, although that is part of it. I meant my claim as an explanation for why his mechanics and decision-making in the passing game have been so poor at times.

Please note that if I am right, this is a fixable problem. If you fall off a horse, trepidation is natural until you get back on and experience safety again. If I am right, RGIII needs to get to the point where he says, "Damn the torpedoes" and moves on. I think that this will happen this week, in fact.

my 2 cents

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I said that RGIII looks "uncomfortable" - in fact I said that, to me, RGIII is playing scared. I did not mean this as an explanation for why he is not running, although that is part of it. I meant my claim as an explanation for why his mechanics and decision-making in the passing game have been so poor at times.

Which is a risk I took by generalizing the comments by three or four people into one claim.

The 'mechanics are fine' argument is the easiest one for me to address. RG3 won rookie of the year last year, so his mechanical flaws didn't matter. We're 0-2 now, so the mechanics are now under scrutiny. This is normal.

The decision-making argument has no easy response, because even though the overall takeaway I had from the GB game was positive (on offense), RG3 is clearly forcing passes to covered receivers. This is not a positive development. He has to make better decisions.

It is my belief that a change in the circumstances around him (the talent on his offense relative the the defenses he's facing) is the main culprit. This is just a hypothesis that makes a lot of sense, and I think there's a lot of evidence supporting it. But it could be argued just as easily that the decisions made are just a function of where RG3 is at in his rehab. Because he wasn't forcing this many throws last year, and this troubles people.

It should trouble people, but I don't think there's a whole lot RG3 can really do about it outside of throw the ball away more. But that's not going to fix the offense.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

A lot of suggested that RG3 is just mentally not comfortable yet in the pocket.

This is may or may not be the case -- he looks fine to me -- but I would tend to lean towards other explanations for his lack of running than that he's uncomfortable. There's just no evidence to support it.

He might actually BE really uncomfortable out there. He might just not feel right. But I think that's a less logical explanation to me at least than he's just been trailing on the scoreboard pretty much the whole season. And that has probably been the number one factor (along with prepared defenses) in why the running element of his game just hasn't been a factor.

RG3 lowest QB rating in the league in the first half of games 33.3%, second half is the 5th highest. His completion % is 45.8 (11/24) in the first half. His accuracy is a problem.

So when the defense softens, he does well.

NBC Sports.

RG3 is not comfy in the pocket and his mechanics are inconsistent and not stable.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

RG3 lowest QB rating in the league in the first half of games 33.3%, second half is the 5th highest. His completion % is 45.8 (11/24) in the first half. His accuracy is a problem.

So when the defense softens, he does well.

NBC Sports.

RG3 is not comfy in the pocket and his mechanics are inconsistent and not stable.

It's not like the defense is softening considerably in the second half.

End of the fourth quarter, sure. Problem is, the Redskins did not have the ball at the end of the fourth quarter: Green Bay just ran out the clock on them.

As far as true garbage time, plays where the defense has no incentive to stop the first down because they want the clock to run, it's applicable to just one drive this year: the second TD drive to Hankerson against Philadelphia. But even that touchdown pass was thrown against a defensive call that should have defended it.

All analysis of the Redskins season needs to be aware of the fact that they've been playing from behind the entire time. But its easy to say that the defense is doing something different that leads to better results for the Redskins in the second half...when you don't actually check to make sure that's true.

It's a pretty ridiculous split, and I do think the Redskins offensive coaches are changing things up at the half (to adjust to the defense), but I think the things that the defenses are doing in the first half are close to what their doing in the second.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's not like the defense is softening considerably in the second half.

End of the fourth quarter, sure. Problem is, the Redskins did not have the ball at the end of the fourth quarter: Green Bay just ran out the clock on them.

As far as true garbage time, plays where the defense has no incentive to stop the first down because they want the clock to run, it's applicable to just one drive this year: the second TD drive to Hankerson against Philadelphia. But even that touchdown pass was thrown against a defensive call that should have defended it.

All analysis of the Redskins season needs to be aware of the fact that they've been playing from behind the entire time. But its easy to say that the defense is doing something different that leads to better results for the Redskins in the second half...when you don't actually check to make sure that's true.

It's a pretty ridiculous split, and I do think the Redskins offensive coaches are changing things up at the half (to adjust to the defense), but I think the things that the defenses are doing in the first half are close to what their doing in the second.

So the defenses are playing the same coverage looks, pressure schemes and blitz packages in both halfs? CB are not playing off guys giving them routes in the second half opposed to the first half? Safeties playing at the same depth?

The Eagles didnt go prevent?

Tripp I dont go back and look at tape, but it doesnt take a scientist to see whats going on. The numbers are there, disregard them if you want.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So the defenses are playing the same coverage looks, pressure schemes and blitz packages in both halfs? CB are not playing off guys giving them routes in the second half opposed to the first half? Safeties playing at the same depth?

The Eagles didnt go prevent?

Tripp I dont go back and look at tape, but it doesnt take a scientist to see whats going on. The numbers are there, disregard them if you want.

It's not about disregarding the numbers, it's just that the Redskins have taken 60% of their snaps in the second half this year, in part because they've kicked off in the first half both times.

They haven't sustained offense in the first half, at all, which is a big factor in the losses. But we're talking about fewer than ten first half drives. Any sample of that size that doesn't produce a touchdown isn't...it's not anything. It could be random.

The second half performance suggests it's partially random.

If this first half/second half trend continues, bring it up and we'll discuss it at the bye week.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The Eagles didnt go prevent?

I did not personally go through the coaches tape against the Eagles, but the people who did say they were blitzing until the last drive trying to stop us.

[MTK]

Seems pretty obvious he's not 100% comfortable in the pocket, now whether it's due to all the blitzes he's facing, the knee, or maybe a combo of both, who knows. All I know is he's not the same guy he was last year, at least to this point.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Seems pretty obvious he's not 100% comfortable in the pocket, now whether it's due to all the blitzes he's facing, the knee, or maybe a combo of both, who knows. All I know is he's not the same guy he was last year, at least to this point.

I think it definitely has to do with his comfort level and the fact that the defense does not respect his legs. He is trying to change how he plays to go along with the physical and mental issues that come from his surgery. He will get back just dont know when...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Seems pretty obvious he's not 100% comfortable in the pocket, now whether it's due to all the blitzes he's facing, the knee, or maybe a combo of both, who knows. All I know is he's not the same guy he was last year, at least to this point.

I really think that fans are less comfortable watching RG3 play than he is actually playing.

And who could blame them, it's an uncomfortable team watch right now. The whole team looks out of their element.

It's a silly thing to place on the quarterback, but he's the guy with the highly scrutinized rehab, so it isn't shocking.

[Chico23231]

Green bay secondary is flat out garbage. Our guys match up with them just fine.

Yes decision making is a problem.

I'd say this, RG3 problems are an easy fix compared to protection and game planning at this point. Coaches on the o-side have had there asses handed to them.

Unless we push Polumbus off a cliff, that problem is never going to be fixed.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Green bay secondary is flat out garbage. Our guys match up with them just fine.

Yes decision making is a problem.

I'd say this, RG3 problems are an easy fix compared to protection and game planning at this point. Coaches on the o-side have had there asses handed to them.

Unless we push Polumbus off a cliff, that problem is never going to be fixed.

We had a lot of guys that produced against GB on the offensive side. RG3, Hankerson, Jordan Reed, Garcon, Morris, Trent, Kory, and Moss all showed up to play.

I'm less discouraged after GB about the offensive skill talent. Morgan's performance sticks out like a sore thumb, and Will Montgomery was really bad, but two problems are much more correctable than everybody.

[htownskinfan]

RG3 has a qbr rating of two !!! in the first half of games this yr.How anybody thinks he looks good or comfortable is beyond me.The garbage time stats in the 2nd half mean nothing