Do you trust Gibbs?

[STPainmaker]

Originally Posted by Blue Star

No he has no idea what hes doing but then again thats a good thing for Dallas.

How many super bowls has your coach won???? Who does your coach say is the most difficult coach he has ever coached against??? Who won more super bowls then your coach w/ less talent??? Enough said, we can rank on our coach you can't. We love our own here we don't take legends take them out to the pasture take off their fidora's and put a bullet in the back of their head a la Tom Landry.

Gibbs will win again in DC and may the streets flow with the blood of the non believers including C boy fans, non believing skins fans, or WHOEVER!!!!!!!!!

I'm going to bed now.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

The thing about the bandwagon is simply this: whether out of pure emotion or sincere thoughts, several have displayed down right hatred of the coach. Even one guy stated he wanted Joe Gibbs and Mark Brunell killed. I do believe those types of people only see the small portions of the picture, and refuse to take a step back and see the entire picture. Those of us who are on the "Bandwagon" are simply there because we trust Joe Gibbs and right or wrong, we'll stick with the team and go down in flames if that is what happens. That's isn't to say we're never going to question Joe Gibbs or assume he's right 100% all the time. It just simply means, we're not going to be some type of weak minded fan who throws in the towel half way through the season or even as stupid as it has sounded to me....to throw in the towel after the first game of the season - a WIN at that! To me, that's not enjoying the game of football!

merely questioning Gibbs on this board gets the same reaction as if we were wishing him dead. and from the same people who have questioned him before. whats the difference? that the questions began in week 2 instead of week 7? i already explained the difference between trust and "big picture" faith. i dont think anybody except maybe the one homicidal guy you mentioned, doesn't want Gibbs to be the coach of our favorite team.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by illdefined

merely questioning Gibbs on this board gets the same reaction as if we were wishing him dead. and from the same people who have questioned him before.

Yeah, okay, whatever!

Originally Posted by illdefined

whats the difference? that the questions began in week 2 instead of week 7? i already explained the difference between trust and "big picture" faith. i dont think anybody except maybe the one homicidal guy you mentioned, doesn't want Gibbs to be the coach of our favorite team.

Obviously a huge difference between week 2 and week 7. Only one game is played by week 2....it's impossible to judge an entire season based on what happens in week 1. That's what people are doing now, and in my opinion, I think it's a knee-jerk reaction...it's just senseless. At least by week 7, the team has played several games, but even then, nobody knows how the season is going to end up.

Reminds me back in the mid 90's, when we went 8-1, only to end the season at 8-8. Knowing this, people dumping on the team after week one is laughable. :cheeky-sm

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Reminds me back in the mid 90's, when we went 8-1, only to end the season at 8-8. Knowing this, people dumping on the team after week one is laughable.

who'd dumping on the team? who's calling it an end to the season? this is exactly what i'm talking about. i haven't done anything even remotely like that, but that's what someone who's not behind Gibb's every decision is accused of.

there's a huge double standard going on when it comes to Gibbs, his SuperBowls matter but somehow last year doesn't. BOTH matter. just because you only want to look at the good and dismiss the bad, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, doesn't apply now, or that you're a bigger fan. on the contrary, looking at, and discussing both the good and bad, means you're perceptive and accept the team flaws and all. that's a fan.

Crisp, what you said made too much sense. beware the coming sarcasm asking you how many Superbowls YOU'VE won...

[joecrisp]

First, let's clear up what exactly the word "trust" means:

From Merriam-Webster's:

Main Entry: trust
Function: verb

transitive senses
1 a : to commit or place in one's care or keeping : ENTRUST b : to permit to stay or go or to do something without fear or misgiving
2 a : to rely on the truthfulness or accuracy of : BELIEVE b : to place confidence in : rely on c : to hope or expect confidently
3 : to extend credit to

Now for the question: Do I "trust" Gibbs?
1a : Based purely on Gibbs's success in his first tenure as Redskins' coach (which I witnessed and which made me a Redskins fan to begin with), I was initially-- and enthusiastically-- willing "to commit my beloved Redskins to his care" this time around as well. However, the poor manner in which I feel he's handled the entire Brunell/Ramsey situation (from the very beginning of Brunell's acquisition process, to this latest QB switch), his ineffectiveness as both an offensive strategist and head coach last season, the poorly disguised and executed maneuvering to draft Jason Campbell, and other miscues have eroded much of my trust of Joe Gibbs in this regard.

1b : After experiencing the excruciating pain of watching Gibbs's offense last season, it's difficult for me to watch it this season "without fear or misgiving" that I could very well see more of the same this season. Sure, there have been some changes in the playbook, Jansen's back in the lineup (if not entirely healthy!), and many of the players have had another year to learn the offense. What concerns me is not so much the plays in the playbook or the players executing them, but Gibbs's conservativeness in orchestrating those components, and his inability to effectively counter today's aggressive defenses with a punishing offense.

Every time I watch the Redskins these days, I'm fearful of what will transpire, and most of that fear is a product of Gibbs's performance over the past 18 months.

2a : It's difficult for me "to rely on the truthfulness or accuracy of" what Gibbs says or does these days [see "Ramsey, Patrick"].

2b : It's difficult for me "to place confidence in" Gibbs as a coach these days [see "2004 regular season record"; "2004 offensive statistics"; "Brunell, Mark"] or "rely on" him to do what's best for the team.

2c : Based on everything that's happened since Gibbs's return as head coach, I generally don't "hope or expect confidently" that Gibbs will lead the Redskins to victory on any given Sunday [see "2004 regular season record"].

3 : When Gibbs became head coach of the Washington Redskins for the second time, most Redskins fans-- including myself-- were willing "to extend credit to" Gibbs for his brilliant success with the team during the '80s and early '90s. However, even Gibbs himself has said that the past buys us nothing but fond memories. Since the recent past tells me "6-10", I'm not that fond of the idea of extending Gibbs any more credit.

Can I change my mind? Absolutely. But Gibbs is going to have to earn back every bit of credit that I might give him in the future.

[MTK]

Personally, I've never said that I didn't think Brunell sucked last year... he did, I said it last year and I'm saying it now.

However, I'm not taking the view that he can't be improved this year. The anti-Brunell people keep pointing to last year, he did this last year, he did that last year, and keep insisting there's no possible way he can be improved.

This is the hand we've been dealt, personally I'd rather roll with it and see what happens rather than crying over what could have been. The decision has been made to go back to Brunell and I support it.

[illdefined]

i'm pretty sure at this point everyone's hoping Brunell's improved. a lot.

it's not that, its just the slew of new arguments comparing Gibbs to a infallible football God. its an argument Gibbs himself wouldn't agree with, and they're coming from a lot of previous semi 'heretics'.

as an example, some of the issues some us less religious types brought up, like the lack of a big receiver on the roster, turned out to be very real. Gibbs went as far as making Sean Taylor the solution.

ingenious if you ask me, but still the question was FAIR TO BRING UP. just as the Brunell one was. this year as well as last year.

[bertoskins]

yess

[illdefined]

well questioning the QB decision in week2 doesn't mean i'm "throwing in the towel for the season" either. does that apply? you were quoting me when you said those things, hence the response.

thankfully, i don't see many "Kill Gibbs" or "We Suck" arguments on this board. i do see a lot of people take arguments that way however.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by illdefined

well questioning the QB decision in week2 doesn't mean i'm "throwing in the towel for the season" either. does that apply? you were quoting me when you said those things, hence the response.

thankfully, i don't see many "Kill Gibbs" or "We Suck" arguments on this board. i do see a lot of people take arguments that way however.

I quoted you because I AGREED with you about the comparison of Joe Gibbs and God... Again, I also never said you were throwing in the towel for the season, so stop whining about it already.

[illdefined]

check your second quote. for the last time, pointing shit out isn't whining. same goes for Gibbs funny enough. if it was a general statement, ok. back to topic.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by illdefined

check your second quote. for the last time, pointing shit out isn't whining. same goes for Gibbs funny enough. if it was a general statement, ok. back to topic.

If I didn't name YOU specifically, it was a general statement. If I meant you, I would have said Illdefined.

[Americastrueteam]

In Joe Gibbs i trust to make the right decisions....Hell Yes,

You have to remember Joe is one of the old time coaches, he does what is needed for the team, not what is needed for the stats, the only stat that matters to Joe is the win stat. He cares for his players naturally, but he is interested in winning, that is what he gets paid for.

Joe Gibbs in his first run at being the head coach for the skins, didnt spend 20 hrs a day, 7 days a week making a championship team, concerning himself with wether or not he played a specific person, just because he said so in so was his starter, if you cant produce what is needed, then there needs to be a change, and Ramsey is not it, im not saying that Brunell is it either because i dont feel his is, but he has more experience and start time then Ramsey, Joe has always made the Redskins produce with great supporting casts, such as a great line, good recievers, good running backs, great defences and always an alright quarterback, i mean if you look at it, Williams was ok, Theisman was good, Ripen was ok but they were never the Montana's, Elways or Marino's of the game.

So untill we get the Great Quarterback, we will win with what we got and trust that Joe Gibbs knows what he is talking about since he is in the Hall of Fame, and we are just weekend armchair quarterbacks/coaches.

[Gmanc711]

No. Brunell looks like garbage (as does our entire offense) tonight.

[htownskinfan]

I dont even need to comment,headline speaks for itself