The re-sign Orakpo thread

[KI Skins Fan]

Should we re-sign Orakpo? Yes.

Will we re-sign him? We have so many needs that I think it's very doubtful that we'll be able to re-sign him and still address other needs. So, no.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Will we re-sign him? We have so many needs that I think it's very doubtful that we'll be able to re-sign him and still address other needs. So, no.

I just don't see the logic in letting above average, home grown talent walk, and creating another hole that needs to be filled. This team is rarely successful at signing 'value' guys and getting them to perform above their pay grade.

What's wrong with stabilizing a position with a known commodity that gives you above average production? If the other option is rolling the dice on an upside guy just to save some money, I'd prefer the known commodity. Otherwise, you end up getting stuck with Doughty and Wilson as starters, rather than Rogers and Landry.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I just don't see the logic in letting above average, home grown talent walk, and creating another hole that needs to be filled. This team is rarely successful at signing 'value' guys and getting them to perform above their pay grade.

What's wrong with stabilizing a position with a known commodity that gives you above average production? If the other option is rolling the dice on an upside guy just to save some money, I'd prefer the known commodity. Otherwise, you end up getting stuck with Doughty and Wilson as starters, rather than Rogers and Landry.

In addition to Orakpo, I'd like to see Rob Jackson extended. He's a quality guy and always provides a little bit of a spark when he comes in.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Gotta be the best player available at any position of need in the early second round.

I'm betting that we sign a RT candidate in FA.

Agree

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Honestly, Rak is going to flourish in either a 3-4 OR a 4-3. Have to say, it's been pretty impressive watching him get his feet again. Last game was the first game this season I felt like Kerrigan truly benefited because of Orakpo's presence.

We have the money, why not pay the man who has kept his mouth shut, and been a great member of this team. He's not elite, and maybe never will be, but a team can't have enough "very good" football players.

[GTripp0012]

If Orakpo walks, replacing him in 2014 would be a team effort. It wouldn't just be one guy. It would be Rob Jackson, Brandon Jenkins, and someone else off the FA market in a Darryl Tapp role.

Ultimately, they would have to replace him in the draft. You can't win without pass rushers in this league, and if you're unwilling to pay the premium for a pass rusher that everyone else is paying, then you have to use the draft to find the next Orakpo. We will not be able to do that in 2014.

[RobH4413]

Looks like we'll have the cash to hook him up with a pretty fat signing bonus. Obviously a priority.

I do think we need to address the secondary and o-line... but it worries me because we're going to have to over-pay to bring in mediocre talent.

That, unfortunately, is not a winning formula.

Part of the reason I think we need to replace Shanahan with a players coach (likeable, respected amongst the league). When you suck, and you don't make changes... what incentive other than cash is there to join the skins?

[jamf]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If Orakpo walks, replacing him in 2014 would be a team effort. It wouldn't just be one guy. It would be Rob Jackson, Brandon Jenkins, and someone else off the FA market in a Darryl Tapp role.

Ultimately, they would have to replace him in the draft. You can't win without pass rushers in this league, and if you're unwilling to pay the premium for a pass rusher that everyone else is paying, then you have to use the draft to find the next Orakpo. We will not be able to do that in 2014.

I agree but the issue I have is are we maximizing Orakpos talent?
Orakpo and Kerrigans primary role is containment under this defense. Only on obvious passing downs do Orakpo and Kerrigan get to rush.
We rarely see tackles for loss because their first move is to stand up the offensive tackle to fill lanes.
You don't pay franchise tag money for a guy to do that. We can pay Rob Jackson the Vet Minimum to do it.

Now if they want to play him like Indy does Robert Mathis, Then pay the man but otherwise it's a waste of a supremely talented player.

[Hijinx]

What is the likelihood of the Skins putting the non exclusive franchise tag on Orakpo? The Skins would only have to offer him 120% of this years salary and be given the choice to match any offer another team made. Plus if he did leave the Skins would get 2 first round draft picks.

[Green Monk Machine]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

What is the likelihood of the Skins putting the non exclusive franchise tag on Orakpo? The Skins would only have to offer him 120% of this years salary and be given the choice to match any offer another team made. Plus if he did leave the Skins would get 2 first round draft picks.

Can we get a fact checker on this with real numbers?

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

What is the likelihood of the Skins putting the non exclusive franchise tag on Orakpo? The Skins would only have to offer him 120% of this years salary and be given the choice to match any offer another team made. Plus if he did leave the Skins would get 2 first round draft picks.

Was thinking the same thing

[donofriose]

Its about 11 million dollars. Or 1/3 of the cap room from what I heard on the radio today.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Its about 11 million dollars. Or 1/3 of the cap room from what I heard on the radio today.

If you put the exclusive franchise tag on him he gets the average of the top 5 LBs, that is about $10-11 million. But the non exclusive FT is the lower of that sum or 120% of his 2012 salary, which would be about 6 million. But other in that case other teams can offer him a contract and then the Skins are given the choice to match any offer. If they choose to not match the offer, they would get 2 first round picks as compensation.(in 2015 and 2016)

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

There are plenty of players I would take, just saying a name there. A few from my list of who will be available who would help us:

Odell Beckham Jr. WR, LSU
Jarvis Landry WR, LSU
Louchiez Purifoy CB, Florida
Stephon Tuitt DE/NT, Notre Dame
Anthony Johnson DT, LSU
LaMarcus Joyner CB/FS, Florida State
Craig Loston S, LSU
Cyril Richardson OT/OG, Baylor
James Hurst OT, UNC
Shane Skov MLB, Stanford
De'Anthony Thomas RB/KR/PR, Oregon
Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama

Anyone of those would be fine with me.

Landry from LSU?? Hmm sounds familiar lol but yeah he's a good wr,.I'd love dennard from MSU dude is a good corner

[redskins5044]

Wouldn't over pay him, if a team wants him bad enough to overpay then adios. He has had a decent season, but I want him to have an impact in big games and in big situations during games.