Ramsey and McCants

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by celts32

You make it sound like it's Gibbs plan to ruin the season. Gibbs has won at everything he ever did yet this season he decided he wanted to sabotage himself. He obviously thinks Brunell gives him a better chance to win.

Just maybe, just maybe, Gibbs does not have it anymore. Dick Vermiel's comeback almost ended prematurely, save for an unexpected find in Kurt Warner and an injury to Trent Green, if I recall correctly he was close to being fired, before that season they won the Superbowl. Now I am not advocating firing Gibbs, and he definitely gets this season, but if we are 6-10, or worse, all bets are off.

Yes this is blasphemy to some, but these illogical decisions by Gibbs the GM are getting to be too much, and some may have long term negative consequences on the team. Everyone talks about the three rings, but there was always a GM to counterbalance things on those Superbowl winning teams. I remember when the Redskins were the model franchise and always had the knack for acquiring a key player via Plan-B free agency. Now our front office is a running joke within the NFL.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

I used to have an emotional attachment to Ramsey, but at this point I am about ready to pass the beer nuts on him. For whatever reason he just has not progressed and Gibbs has seen enough...

I wish more people would admit that emotion is what is holding Ramsey so dear to them.

I went back and watched most of the Bears game last night, and while Ramsey did look good at times, he also looked pretty bad at others. He fired several overthrows and just doesn't look very decisive at times.

That's pretty much been the book on him his entire career. He's inconsistent. He'll thrill you on one play and kill you the next. He's the kind of QB that drives Gibbs crazy.

I just don't see why there's such an uproar over this. As bad as Brunell was last year, Ramsey was only slightly better.

Ramsey seems like a good guy, and he's a very likable guy. I think we really wanted him to succeed, but right now Gibbs feels that a change would be beneficial to the team, so let's roll with that for now and see where it takes us. I really don't see what we have to lose.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I wish more people would admit that emotion is what is holding Ramsey so dear to them.

I went back and watched most of the Bears game last night, and while Ramsey did look good at times, he also looked pretty bad at others. He fired several overthrows and just doesn't look very decisive at times.

That's pretty much been the book on him his entire career. He's inconsistent. He'll thrill you on one play and kill you the next. He's the kind of QB that drives Gibbs crazy.

I just don't see why there's such an uproar over this. As bad as Brunell was last year, Ramsey was only slightly better.

Ramsey seems like a good guy, and he's a very likable guy. I think we really wanted him to succeed, but right now Gibbs feels that a change would be beneficial to the team, so let's roll with that for now and see where it takes us. I really don't see what we have to lose.

I think you need to take your rational thinking and even-mindedness somewhere else!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I wish more people would admit that emotion is what is holding Ramsey so dear to them.

I went back and watched most of the Bears game last night, and while Ramsey did look good at times, he also looked pretty bad at others. He fired several overthrows and just doesn't look very decisive at times.

That's pretty much been the book on him his entire career. He's inconsistent. He'll thrill you on one play and kill you the next. He's the kind of QB that drives Gibbs crazy.

I just don't see why there's such an uproar over this. As bad as Brunell was last year, Ramsey was only slightly better.

Ramsey seems like a good guy, and he's a very likable guy. I think we really wanted him to succeed, but right now Gibbs feels that a change would be beneficial to the team, so let's roll with that for now and see where it takes us. I really don't see what we have to lose.

if we could trade for Roethlisbeger right now, you think people would still be clamoring for Ramsey? Yes Ramsey gambles, but with Portis and our defense we had good chances to win.

Brunell had his chance to endear himself to us as fans all of last season. if he looked good, do you think any of us would be 'freaking out' as you say? emotional attachment is secondary. unless it applies to blind faith in Gibbs of course, that emotional attachment is allowed. go back and find some video of Brunell's passes last season against real defenses really trying to murder him.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Very true. No one can ever call Gibbs a pansy over this.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Very true. No one can ever call Gibbs a pansy over this.

and he even threw in a firing just to prove they're really brass.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Very true.

I know I won't appease everyone, I just wanted to kind of put things in perspective since tempers have run high recently.

This is all part of the healing process.

[Joe Knows...]

Only Joe Gibbs would be able to get away with that kind of move. He's the only coach that Dan Snyder adores that much. He grew up as one of his biggest fans. He respects Gibbs enough to actually let him run the show, where as the other coaches he didn't.

[Longtimefan]

Totally agree with you Mephisskin on D'Mack. Everyone talks about him being so great in the red-zone as a receiver, but what I want to know is what is he going to do when we're not in the red-zone. I cannot see a roster spot for a player whose only going to see the field when we get in the red-zone. No ST "nothing" just catch passes when we get down deep, I don't think so, and that's why he's not here.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Right and for those who say, "Well Ramsey threw for 100+ yards." remember that many of those yards came on a 10-yard pattern that Moss TURNED into a 50+ yard gainer.

[MTK]

I'm really losing it here, what the hell is so great about Ramsey? I feel like I've been asking this question for days. And don't turn it around and say what's so great about Brunell. I'm simply asking, what is so great about Ramsey?

The uproar over a medicore QB being benched, a QB mind you that was booed regularly this preseason, is amazing to me... now all of a sudden he's a golden boy?

Again, he was the 5th worst QB last year, Brunell was 2nd worst, yet people are acting like the season is over because Ramsey has been benched.

I really don't get it.

[ladyfan06]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm really losing it here, what the hell is so great about Ramsey? I feel like I've been asking this question for days. And don't turn it around and say what's so great about Brunell. I'm simply asking, what is so great about Ramsey?

The uproar over a medicore QB being benched, a QB mind you that was booed regularly this preseason, is amazing to me... now all of a sudden he's a golden boy?

Again, he was the 5th worst QB last year, Brunell was 2nd worst, yet people are acting like the season is over because Ramsey has been benched.

I really don't get it.

I agree. Instead of calling us that support the QB change-Brunnell supporters, how about calling us what we really are...Redskins supporters. The change has been made, deal with it...I don't think that those that feel the way I do are having this argument because we feel that Brunnell is the reincarnation of Joe Theismann but we just do not understand what all the complaining about Ramsey being benched is about. He is not that good of a QB, granted neither is Brunnell, but how many options do we really have here? None, really so we should believe in the guy that is put in the position to make the best decision out of his options, who happens to be Hall Of Famer and Former Super Bowl winning Coach of the Washington Redskins, Joe Gibbs. He has a lot more to base this change on then we do.

I personally like Ramsey, think he is a nice guy, kinda cute even in a boyish way but he cannot win us football games at this point....I know, I know--the question is "can Brunnell win us football games?" or maybe the statement will be made "he did not win us many football games, LAST YEAR."

1.-Can Brunnell win us football games?
Only time will tell. I believe strongly that if he does not produce, Coach will make another adjustment. Maybe that will be Jason Campbell, maybe Ramsey...maybe he will flip a coin to make the call...who knows.

2.-He did not win us many football games, LAST YEAR....
THAT WAS LAST YEAR!!!!!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by ladyfan06

He is not that good of a QB, granted neither is Brunnell, but how many options do we really have here? None, really so we should believe in the guy that is put in the position to make the best decision out of his options, who happens to be Hall Of Famer and Former Super Bowl winning Coach of the Washington Redskins, Joe Gibbs. He has a lot more to base this change on then we do.

I personally like Ramsey, think he is a nice guy, kinda cute even in a boyish way but he cannot win us football games at this point....I know, I know--the question is "can Brunnell win us football games?" or maybe the statement will be made "he did not win us many football games, LAST YEAR."

ladyfan, you dismiss last year so readily, but really throw out coach's superbowls from 15 years ago. i don't discount either, but if you're going to use the past, don't do it selectively.

we're Redskins supporters too. only reason most of us wanted to give Ramsey a shot is because he LOST less than Brunell and because we think a 26 year old can improve more than a 35 year old. it's not because of emotion, (and much less because he's cute) and if we had clearly better options at QB we'd all take that in a second.

[ladyfan06]

Originally Posted by illdefined

ladyfan, you dismiss last year so readily, but really throw out coach's superbowls from 15 years ago. i don't discount either, but if you're going to use the past, don't do it selectively.

we're Redskins supporters too. only reason most of us wanted to give Ramsey a shot is because he LOST less than Brunell and because we think a 26 year old can improve more than a 35 year old. it's not because of emotion, (and much less because he's cute) and if we had clearly better options at QB we'd all take that in a second.

Illdefined- I think you have a thing for me, no matter what I say or how I say it, you find a way to make it something it's not...no one ever said those of you that feel that Ramsey got a "raw deal" are not Redskin supporters as well but stop making those of us that stand behind the decision of the coach out to be the bad guys. At the end of the day, Brunnell is going to start, that's that and we have exhausted so many keystrokes bashing the coach, organization, Brunnell and anything else that pops in our heads. That is nothing is contradictory of what I would consider a true-Redskins fan.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by ladyfan06

Illdefined- I think you have a thing for me, no matter what I say or how I say it, you find a way to make it something it's not...no one ever said those of you that feel that Ramsey got a "raw deal" are not Redskin supporters as well but stop making those of us that stand behind the decision of the coach out to be the bad guys. At the end of the day, Brunnell is going to start, that's that and we have exhausted so many keystrokes bashing the coach, organization, Brunnell and anything else that pops in our heads. That is nothing is contradictory of what I would consider a true-Redskins fan.

absolutely, no one's bad here (except the cow-fans, and even then, they're pretty cool for cow-fans) that's exactly the point, we're all about the wins. we just disagree on how to get em.

no its nothing personal with you, it's just when you replied to me saying you were a Redskins supporter, it implied i wasn't. if you didn't mean to imply it, i'm sorry, others certainly have and it couldn't be the furthest thing from the truth. call it tough love, but on gameday we all bleed burgundy.