Kirk cousins = dime a dozen

[scowan]

No one can separate and catch a ball but Garcon. That's the issue.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by scowan

No one can separate and catch a ball but Garcon. That's the issue.

Yeah our wr's outside of Garcon seem to be sub par. However, New England isn't trotting out all stars and they're still getting the job done. I'm starting to wonder if we have coaches that are capable of developing our players.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yeah our wr's outside of Garcon seem to be sub par. However, New England isn't trotting out all stars and they're still getting the job done. I'm starting to wonder if we have coaches that are capable of developing our players.

You're just now starting to wonder about the capabilities of this coaching staff?

C'mon, man!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by scowan

No one can separate and catch a ball but Garcon. That's the issue.

I'm looking more at the defense and special teams.

The offense does enough to win games. Those other 2 units are just horrible.

[scowan]

Agree with all of the comments. Special teams and Defense are both truly terrible this year, but when Garcon catches 11 balls in a game and the most the next guy has is 2, something is wrong with the other players. I can't imagine that every play is suppose to go to Garcon.

Big changes needed to Special Teams and Defense, but this team has to money next year to make it happen. I just hope its not Shannahan doing the picking and spending.

[skinsguy]

I have to believe that Redskins fans have to be the most "knee-jerk reacting" fans in the entire league. I mean, RGIII has one great year and it's time to enshrine him in the Hall of Fame. Has a bad second year (do to injury no doubt), and he's mentioned in the same category as a bust and people are wanting to trade him. Kirk Cousins comes out and plays decently - basically like how a normal second year fourth round draft pick back up quarterback would play - and he's a dime a dozen. OR, he's a superstar. One extreme or the other!

Come on guys!

Which would you rather have: A combination of RGIII/Cousins, or John Beck/Rex Grossman? I would take my chances with the former. And I would also make sure those two quarterbacks are on the same roster next year as well. Seriously, this is the best depth the 'skins has had at quarterback in a long, long time. There are more serious issues that need addressing - but quarterback is not one!

Special teams, alone, have lost the 'skins some games this year. Defense has lost games for this team as well. Offensive pass protection has been bad for most of the season - and it's gotten worse. The only time I feel it's necessary to complain about quarterback play is when the offensive line is as stout and solid - to the liken of the old hogs. When the defense is solid and stingy, and the special teams makes big plays for the 'skins and NOT for the other team. Then if the Redskins are still losing games, then we need to take a long hard look at the quarterback. Heck, even if all the 'skins are able to improve on is pass protection and special teams - that might be enough to give a good long look at quarterback, but as far as I'm concerned, this team needs to overall some very glaring issues first before we start crapping on RGIII or Kirk Cousins.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I have to believe that Redskins fans have to be the most "knee-jerk reacting" fans in the entire league. I mean, RGIII has one great year and it's time to enshrine him in the Hall of Fame. Has a bad second year (do to injury no doubt), and he's mentioned in the same category as a bust and people are wanting to trade him. Kirk Cousins comes out and plays decently - basically like how a normal second year fourth round draft pick back up quarterback would play - and he's a dime a dozen. OR, he's a superstar. One extreme or the other!

Come on guys!

Which would you rather have: A combination of RGIII/Cousins, or John Beck/Rex Grossman? I would take my chances with the former. And I would also make sure those two quarterbacks are on the same roster next year as well. Seriously, this is the best depth the 'skins has had at quarterback in a long, long time. There are more serious issues that need addressing - but quarterback is not one!

Special teams, alone, have lost the 'skins some games this year. Defense has lost games for this team as well. Offensive pass protection has been bad for most of the season - and it's gotten worse. The only time I feel it's necessary to complain about quarterback play is when the offensive line is as stout and solid - to the liken of the old hogs. When the defense is solid and stingy, and the special teams makes big plays for the 'skins and NOT for the other team. Then if the Redskins are still losing games, then we need to take a long hard look at the quarterback. Heck, even if all the 'skins are able to improve on is pass protection and special teams - that might be enough to give a good long look at quarterback, but as far as I'm concerned, this team needs to overall some very glaring issues first before we start crapping on RGIII or Kirk Cousins.

Fans in general can be pretty retarded. Last week after the Saints lost to the Panthers I heard callers on Monday morning on NFL radio saying Brees wasn't getting it done and that Sean Payton should be fired.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I have to believe that Redskins fans have to be the most "knee-jerk reacting" fans in the entire league.

Not as long as Philly has fans.

There was an Eagles fan in the front row at the game in in Philly last week who is the reigning king of "knee jerk" reactions. During one Eagles offensive series he cheered loudly on every down that the Eagles made positive yardage and booed loudly on every down that the Eagles made negative yardage. I've never known a Redskins fan who could do that.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Not as long as Philly has fans.

There was an Eagles fan in the front row at the game in in Philly last week who is the reigning king of "knee jerk" reactions. During one Eagles offensive series he cheered loudly on every down that the Eagles made positive yardage and booed loudly on every down that the Eagles made negative yardage. I've never known a Redskins fan who could do that.

Did you take away his meth?

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I have to believe that Redskins fans have to be the most "knee-jerk reacting" fans in the entire league. I mean, RGIII has one great year and it's time to enshrine him in the Hall of Fame. Has a bad second year (do to injury no doubt), and he's mentioned in the same category as a bust and people are wanting to trade him. Kirk Cousins comes out and plays decently - basically like how a normal second year fourth round draft pick back up quarterback would play - and he's a dime a dozen. OR, he's a superstar. One extreme or the other!

Come on guys!

Which would you rather have: A combination of RGIII/Cousins, or John Beck/Rex Grossman? I would take my chances with the former. And I would also make sure those two quarterbacks are on the same roster next year as well. Seriously, this is the best depth the 'skins has had at quarterback in a long, long time. There are more serious issues that need addressing - but quarterback is not one!

Special teams, alone, have lost the 'skins some games this year. Defense has lost games for this team as well. Offensive pass protection has been bad for most of the season - and it's gotten worse. The only time I feel it's necessary to complain about quarterback play is when the offensive line is as stout and solid - to the liken of the old hogs. When the defense is solid and stingy, and the special teams makes big plays for the 'skins and NOT for the other team. Then if the Redskins are still losing games, then we need to take a long hard look at the quarterback. Heck, even if all the 'skins are able to improve on is pass protection and special teams - that might be enough to give a good long look at quarterback, but as far as I'm concerned, this team needs to overall some very glaring issues first before we start crapping on RGIII or Kirk Cousins.

He's the first Redskins QB to throw for over 300 yards in his first 2 starts and you call that NORMAL? First round projected starters BUST on a regular basis in the NFL, yet a 4th round pick puts up numbers like that and it's considered routine. Not saying KC is a future Hall of Famer or even that he won't amount to anything more than a career backup, BUT I don't see how anyone can say he's just been OK or performed as any 4th round backup would.

I'm with you on everything else. If the Special Teams and Defense weren't absolutely, bottom-of-the-league, abysmal, the Skins would have won 4-5 more games this year. They can improve in both areas in a single off-season. If they were even middle of the pack in both areas, the season would have been totally different. With a full salary cap and via the draft, they can do what they need to do to contend for the worst division in football... next year!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

He's the first Redskins QB to throw for over 300 yards in his first 2 starts and you call that NORMAL? First round projected starters BUST on a regular basis in the NFL, yet a 4th round pick puts up numbers like that and it's considered routine. Not saying KC is a future Hall of Famer or even that he won't amount to anything more than a career backup, BUT I don't see how anyone can say he's just been OK or performed as any 4th round backup would.

I'm with you on everything else. If the Special Teams and Defense weren't absolutely, bottom-of-the-league, abysmal, the Skins would have won 4-5 more games this year. They can improve in both areas in a single off-season. If they were even middle of the pack in both areas, the season would have been totally different. With a full salary cap and via the draft, they can do what they need to do to contend for the worst division in football... next year!

Yeah he's thrown for some yards (against some bad defenses) but the turnovers are a concern.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

He's the first Redskins QB to throw for over 300 yards in his first 2 starts and you call that NORMAL? First round projected starters BUST on a regular basis in the NFL, yet a 4th round pick puts up numbers like that and it's considered routine. Not saying KC is a future Hall of Famer or even that he won't amount to anything more than a career backup, BUT I don't see how anyone can say he's just been OK or performed as any 4th round backup would.

I'm with you on everything else. If the Special Teams and Defense weren't absolutely, bottom-of-the-league, abysmal, the Skins would have won 4-5 more games this year. They can improve in both areas in a single off-season. If they were even middle of the pack in both areas, the season would have been totally different. With a full salary cap and via the draft, they can do what they need to do to contend for the worst division in football... next year!

I think you completely misunderstood my point. I'm not cracking on Kirk Cousins at all. In fact, quite the opposite. I'm saying that a lot of Redskins fans around here are in one extreme or the other. Either that Kirk Cousins is a superstar or he's a dud. I'm basically saying he's done some great things in his limited time playing, but he's also looked like a fourth round quarterback with limited playing time. He's had good and bad. The more playing time, the more I think Kirk becomes one of the better quarterbacks in the league, but all this talk about trading RGIII and starting Cousins OR that Cousins isn't worth even the fourth rounder we spent on him is both crazy talk.

That's all I'm saying.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

He's the first Redskins QB to throw for over 300 yards in his first 2 starts and you call that NORMAL? First round projected starters BUST on a regular basis in the NFL, yet a 4th round pick puts up numbers like that and it's considered routine. Not saying KC is a future Hall of Famer or even that he won't amount to anything more than a career backup, BUT I don't see how anyone can say he's just been OK or performed as any 4th round backup would.

I'm with you on everything else. If the Special Teams and Defense weren't absolutely, bottom-of-the-league, abysmal, the Skins would have won 4-5 more games this year. They can improve in both areas in a single off-season. If they were even middle of the pack in both areas, the season would have been totally different. With a full salary cap and via the draft, they can do what they need to do to contend for the worst division in football... next year!

Cousins had a full offseason with OTAs with the first team. I expect more from the next Tom Brady. Cousins had all the off season RG3 did not have. People say RG3 needs a full offseaeson , well Cousins had a full offseason and all we get is 3 TDs and 3 picks against ATL and Allas (Dallas has no D).

[Gary84Clark]

What can the Washington Redskins get if they trade quarterback Kirk Cousins? - The Washington Post

[Gary84Clark]

Kirk Cousins says he thinks he’s made improvement

Cousins had all the first team reps in OTAs , training camp, and preseason. He should have a rapport with the receiving corps and coaches (LeFleur). They like how he is coachable, yet they had all this time and all they get outta him is mediocrity. It's the coaches in my opinion looking for excuses. Cousins gives the coaches (LeFleur)the best chance because he got all the offseason practice reps. But the coaches (LeFleur)are mediocre and the results are mediocre.