Suspicious Minds?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by LadyT

I would agree with you about the possibility of Ramsey getting his job back, were it not for the drafting of Campbell. Let's not forget what Gibbs has done from the first day he came back in terms of QBs. First, Gibbs immediately pursued the aging Brunell and signed him to an absurdly large contract which even the most ardent of Brunell/Gibbs devotees must admit is a joke. Next year, he gives up the barn to get Campbell. That's a 1-2 punch and, to me, clearly indicates he doesn't plan on having Ramsey be a part of this team much beyond this year.

So now Brunell's contact is Gibbs' fault?

Let's place blame where it's due, Snyder deals with the contracts around here.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So now Brunell's contact is Gibbs' fault?

Let's place blame where it's due, Snyder deals with the contracts around here.

Do you expect me to believe that Gibbs did not play a major role, not only in first pursuing Brunell, but in the contract talks as well? Maybe not directly, but certainly indirectly.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by LadyT

Do you expect me to believe that Gibbs did not play a major role, not only in first pursuing Brunell, but in the contract talks as well? Maybe not directly, but certainly indirectly.

According to what's widely understood regarding the front office setup, Snyder is the primary negotiator. I highly doubt Gibbs played any sort of a notable role in the number crunching aspect of Brunell's contract.

[Top-Skin-K]

(illdefined) and for the record, i'm NOT bashing Gibbs. i think QB loyalty is admirable actually, i just want to know what Brunell did to get it, and why Ramsey never got to have it.

I'm just a positive thinker everyone. With that being said I am behind all the moves that Gibbs has made with the team. I am tired though of everyone saying MB gets special treatment from Gibbs. Last season was his first year back. He wanted a veteran QB. He went out and got one. If we had started PR last year at the beginning of the season he would have stunk it up even worse than MB. Remember the QB competition last preason and MB out performed PR. Well being it was a new system Gibbs gave MB a longer leash to learn the system in real time action. Which will be very benifitial to MB this time around you watch and see. (8 or 9 games under his belt in the system) PR gets his shot to start and did pretty good. He still was making bad decisions though. (Turnover in the Eagles game was a killer) Gibbs is trying to do something to make PR understand that we can not afford to make those kinds of mistakes. Do to PR decent play earned his the starting spot. Preason roles around PR's the starter and MB is health looks alot better; PR looks the same as last. No real impovement. The entire off season Gibbs Preached no-turnovers. What does PR do? Have a TO (INT) on the second play of the game(I hear wr ran wrong route. Throw it away and live another day) and then have 2 fumbles all in the first quarter of play. Not that Gibbs favors MB or if he is better. It is the principle of being able to execute what Gibbs feel he and the team needs to be successful and that is no TO's. By sitting PR it will make him understand the importance of not making TO's. So when he gets his chance again he will be more cautious of his assignments and reads. MB will be on the short playing time list if he make TO's this time around. With our D either one of our QB's can win without the TO's

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by LadyT

I would agree with you about the possibility of Ramsey getting his job back, were it not for the drafting of Campbell. Let's not forget what Gibbs has done from the first day he came back in terms of QBs. First, Gibbs immediately pursued the aging Brunell and signed him to an absurdly large contract which even the most ardent of Brunell/Gibbs devotees must admit is a joke. Next year, he gives up the barn to get Campbell. That's a 1-2 punch and, to me, clearly indicates he doesn't plan on having Ramsey be a part of this team much beyond this year.

Please take a minute to read what you wrote. A nullified TD from Ramsey to Cooley did not win the game. Three drives by Brunell led to 9 points which won the game. Be honest with yourself. Do you care who leads this team to victory or are you more concerned about being right? Sometimes we all get so wrapped up in our own thinking that we miss the big picture. If Brunell leads us to a victory over Dallas will those of you who disliked Gibb's decision turn around and give him credit for the win. Because let me tell you something, all the energy we are spending on who should or shouldn't lead this team, Cowboys fans are licking their chops and laughing at 14 out of 15 games we have loss.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Please take a minute to read what you wrote. A nullified TD from Ramsey to Cooley did not win the game. Three drives by Brunell led to 9 points which won the game. Be honest with yourself. Do you care who leads this team to victory or are you more concerned about being right? Sometimes we all get so wrapped up in our own thinking that we miss the big picture. If Brunell leads us to a victory over Dallas will those of you who disliked Gibb's decision turn around and give him credit for the win. Because let me tell you something, all the energy we are spending on who should or shouldn't lead this team, Cowboys fans are licking their chops and laughing at 14 out of 15 games we have loss.

The point I was trying to make, though maybe not very clearly, is that all of our scoring came from our kicker. If I recall correctly, kicking was a big part of our scoring last year too. With Hall out (at least for the next game) and an unknown kicker taking over, I am very worried. Why? Because our offense has not shown the capability to consistently score TDs, not last year and not last week. Thiree field goals may have worked with the Bears. I don't think it will continue to be a key to success with other teams who have good offenses and can put up the points on us.

If we win against Dallas, I will be extremely happy. And it doesn't really matter if we, the Skins fans are focusing on one thing, and Dallas fans are focusing on something else. Because we, the fans, don't play the game.

[Sociofan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

On thing is getting lost here (with some). Ramsey is benched, not deported to another country. Some of the best QB's ever to play have been benched. It is a pretty common practice, and one Gibbs has used on numerous occasions (with great success). He can get his job back, if he can keep his head. I have heard some people close the situation imply (out of the side of their mouth) that Ramsey had some things the coach's (that means the coaching staff, not just Joe) wanted him to correct, or work on. He had plenty of time to do so, and the implication is that he did not want to do so.

Yes, this was exactly what was reported in The Washington Post today. But really guys, this topic is getting old. The decision has been made and a tone has been set. Remember, Antonio Brown was CUT for making an untimely turnover. The Redskins have had problems with making untimely mistakes. I'll say it again, THE REDSKINS HAVE HAD PROBLEMS WITH MAKING UNTIMELY MISTAKES!! Once more? Okay, maybe not.

Joe Gibbs has tolerated these mistakes far too long for his own comfort, let alone the fans'. Benching Ramsey is part of sending a clear message that turnovers will no longer be a regular part of play or else you'll find yourself on the street or at least on the bench. I don't see this as personal with Ramsey, I see it as a coach trying whatever it takes to correct dumbass error-filled football. It killed the team last year, he doesn't want it happening again this year. Patrick is a good QB, but he makes A LOT of mistakes. My guess is that when The Post reported that Gibbs had some things he wanted Patrick to work on, he meant exactly that...spend more time finding ways to protect that rock and make good decisions.

Now, can we talk about Jansens' two broken thumbs or Noble's bum knee or anything other than Brunell v. Ramsey?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Sociofan

Yes, this was exactly what was reported in The Washington Post today. But really guys, this topic is getting old. The decision has been made and a tone has been set. Remember, Antonio Brown was CUT for making an untimely turnover. The Redskins have had problems with making untimely mistakes. I'll say it again, THE REDSKINS HAVE HAD PROBLEMS WITH MAKING UNTIMELY MISTAKES!! Once more? Okay, maybe not.

Joe Gibbs has tolerated these mistakes far too long for his own comfort, let alone the fans'. Benching Ramsey is part of sending a clear message that turnovers will no longer be a regular part of play or else you'll find yourself on the street or at least on the bench. I don't see this as personal with Ramsey, I see it as a coach trying whatever it takes to correct dumbass error-filled football. It killed the team last year, he doesn't want it happening again this year. Patrick is a good QB, but he makes A LOT of mistakes. My guess is that when The Post reported that Gibbs had some things he wanted Patrick to work on, he meant exactly that...spend more time finding ways to protect that rock and make good decisions.

Now, can we talk about Jansens' two broken thumbs or Noble's bum knee or anything other than Brunell v. Ramsey?

I could not agree more!!!!!!!!! Gibbs has established himself as winner many years before he took the helm with the Redskins. Coordinator, Assistant coach, Head coach, Nascar team owner. It's quite an impressive career. For anyone to think he would personalize a starting QB selection is ludicrous. Something is way wrong and he is fixing it. As he said when he accepted the Redskin job, "we will build a winning team, but it will take some time". That means possibly several years.
When I have to weigh the credibility of the "Brunell bashers" opinion, or Gibbs, sorry, I go with the proven winner
I would now love to talk about Jansens two broken thumbs.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I could not agree more!!!!!!!!! Gibbs has established himself as winner many years before he took the helm with the Redskins. Coordinator, Assistant coach, Head coach, Nascar team owner. It's quite an impressive career. For anyone to think he would personalize a starting QB selection is ludicrous. Something is way wrong and he is fixing it. As he said when he accepted the Redskin job, "we will build a winning team, but it will take some time". That means possibly several years.
When I have to weigh the credibility of the "Brunell bashers" opinion, or Gibbs, sorry, I go with the proven winner
I would now love to talk about Jansens two broken thumbs.

I heard Jansen gave the QB switch 2 thumbs up!!

I know everyone else thought of it but didn't.... but I did lol

[Sociofan]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I heard Jansen gave the QB switch 2 thumbs up!!

I know everyone else thought of it but didn't.... but I did lol

Now THAT was funny.

[firstdown]

Maybe its time we are all honest. We have Brunell who is pretty much at the end of his career and Ramsey who has skills but very inconsistent. He is like Gardner he will make a great play then drop the ball on the next. This is why all th so called experts have us on the bottom of their list and thats why Gibbs went out and traded to get Campbell. Gibbs knows Brunell is not the answer and he feels Ramsey is not the answer either. We may see Brunell for a while or we may see Ramsey back in but if we are not winning games by mid season Campbell will be our guy. Gibbs signed a five year deal and that will give him 3 and 1/2 years to groom Campbell and make a push for the SB. Alot of people were upset when he traded so much for Campbell but I think Gibbs saw the writing on the wall. Now the people that feel Gibs is playing Brunell because that was his guy is just totaly wrong. Why would a coach play a QB just for pride to loose game that would make them look even worse. So lets just hope that some how we can have a win in Dallas who ever is throwing the ball and see what happens on the buy week.

[VTSkins897]

as another point in this debate...

i'll refer to brunell's trashy, fluttering, limp-wristed, beachball-resembling throws... namely the first one when he came in... is that going to beat dallas (or anyone) when they have RW as the 8th man in the box?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by VTSkins897

as another point in this debate...

i'll refer to brunell's trashy, fluttering, limp-wristed, beachball-resembling throws... namely the first one when he came in... is that going to beat dallas (or anyone) when they have RW as the 8th man in the box?

So...................how bout' that Jon Jansen playing with two broken thumbs?

[VTSkins897]

Originally Posted by Hog1

So...................how bout' that Jon Jansen playing with two broken thumbs?

So... it's a good thing he's not a QB. Ambidextrous or not.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by offiss

A nice article in the post, maybe extracted about as much as they could out of some of the skins players about Ramsey, Cooley is speaking his mind, Jansen is trying to keep things under control [classy guy] but apparently 2 things have really ticked off Ramsey,

1- he feels that Gibbs was just looking for any excuse to yank him, doesn't sound like Joe is doing his job of instilling any kind of confidence in Ramsey whatsoever. It also sounds just like it looked, Gibbs has it in for Ramsey.

2- apparently one redskin who asked to remain anonomous said, that the reciever ran the wrong route on that INT which has only infuriated Ramsey more. sounds to me like he's being scapegoated because of the lack of understanding by a WR in whom Gibbs is responsible to make sure they do know which route to run, without a word out of Gibbs.

As Cooley said if he spent the last 9 months being told he was the starter and preparing for that role, and to have that yanked out from under you after 19 minutes, well he would be pissed to.

It really sounds like to me that the players are not only behind Ramsey 110% I really believe they are looking at this situation and saying to themselves that the way Ramsey has been treated is lousy, I think his teamates really feel sorry for him, on both sides of the ball.

I still say Gibbs is forcing Brunell down everyone's throat to justify that trade, the word was Gibbs was about the only one who wanted Brunell in the organazation at the time he made the move, I still say Brunell will be so horrible that it wont be long before Ramsey gets back on the field, and I truly believe he will overcome all this garbage to be one heck of a QB!


This situation is so bizarre and out of charactor for Gibbs that I can't help but wonder if it is some kind of scam to get an advantage on dallas, I am starting to believe illdefined's theory.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...96.html?sub=AR

First off IF Ramsey had done well all perseason and not looked so bad we wouldn't be talking about this at all. The guy is all over the place! Throws high and wide!!! He can't hit a post if his life was on the line! When he is in trouble he throws Ints or takes a sack or turns it over. What about running it and throwing it out of bounds? As For Cooley HOW ABOUT GETTING YOUR ASS DOWN FIELD AND GETTING OPEN SO YOUR BOY CAN KEEP HIS JOB!!! Every body has been saying Cooley is the second coming but so far this season there has been nothing to talk about. Shut up and get open Cooley and throw a block or two! As for Brunell if he dose well he is lucky and if he blows up they will say I told you so! As Skin fans we are the ones out of luck! Ramsey,Cooley and Brunell will all get paid! The truth of the matter we have a old guy[Brunell] that maybe can get us by this season, Another is flat out not ready for the job[Ramsey] and Campbell is not even ready to hold a clip board! Just not good!!! Horrible ??? All of the Skins QBs are!!! Not just Brunell!!!! The only thing he has going is he has been good[in the passed] and just maybe he can find it for 18 or 19 games! ALL of this before Dallas game..... God I hate those guys!!!!!